Seller Feedback

Episode Summary

The podcast discusses the rise of online marketplaces and sharing platforms like Uber, Airbnb, and eBay. It explains how these platforms help match people who have coincidental wants and enable transactions between strangers who otherwise would not be able to find each other. A key innovation that enabled the growth of these platforms is seller feedback, which provides trust between buyers and sellers who don't know each other. When eBay introduced seller feedback in 1997, it helped reassure buyers that sellers would not just take their money without sending the purchased item. This built trust and allowed eBay's platform to grow. The podcast explains that online platforms create value by tapping into unused capacity like spare rooms or car seats. But they also create challenges around regulating the new sharing economy. Rules that protect workers, customers, and incumbents in the traditional economy may not apply. The podcast discusses how lawmakers around the world are trying to figure out how to appropriately regulate these platforms. It also notes that these platforms rely heavily on network effects, where growth builds on itself, which is why companies massively invest in subsidies and promotions to grow quickly. Some users are even defrauding the platforms to earn subsidies, like Uber drivers who create fake rides. Overall, the podcast explores both the benefits and challenges created by online marketplaces and the sharing economy. It highlights how these platforms innovated to enable transactions between strangers and are transforming sectors of the economy.

Episode Show Notes

Why should we get into a stranger’s car – or buy a stranger’s laser pointer? In 1997, eBay introduced a feature that helped solve the problem: Seller Feedback. Jim Griffith was eBay’s first customer service representative; at the time, he says “no-one had ever seen anything like [it]”. The idea of both parties rating each other after a transaction has now become ubiquitous. You buy something online – you rate the seller, the seller rates you. Or you use a ride-sharing service, like Uber – you rate the driver, the driver rates you. And a few positive reviews set our mind at ease about a stranger. Jim Griffith is not sure eBay would have grown without it. Online matching platforms would still exist, of course – but perhaps they’d be more like hitch-hiking today: a niche pursuit for the unusually adventurous, not a mainstream activity that’s transforming whole sectors of the economy.

Producer: Ben Crighton Editors: Richard Knight and Richard Vadon

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_02: Amazing, fascinating stories of inventions, ideas and innovations. Yes, this is the podcast about the things that have helped to shape our lives. Podcasts from the BBC World Service are supported by advertising. SPEAKER_01: 50 Things That Made the Modern Economy with Tim Harford SPEAKER_00: In Shanghai, a driver for the ride-hailing company Uber logs into an online forum. He's not looking for a passenger. He's looking for someone to pretend to be a passenger. He finds a willing taker. He pretends to collect the customer and drop her at the airport. In fact, they never meet. Then he goes online and sends her money. The fee they've agreed is about $1.60. Or perhaps the driver goes a step further, making up not just the journey but also the other person. He goes to the online marketplace Taobao and buys a hacked smartphone. That enables him to create multiple fake identities. He uses one to arrange a ride with himself. Why is he doing this? Because he's willing to run the risk of being caught and because someone's willing to pay him to give people rides in his car. Investors in Uber and their rivals have run up billions of dollars of losses in China and elsewhere, paying people to share car journeys. Naturally, they're trying to stamp out the imaginary journeys but subsidising genuine rides? They're convinced that's a smart idea. This all seems bizarre, perverse even, but everyone involved is rationally pursuing economic incentives. To see what's going on, we have to understand a phenomenon that spawned many buzzwords. Crowd-based capitalism, collaborative consumption, the sharing economy, the trust economy. Well, here's the basic idea. Suppose I'm about to drive myself from downtown Shanghai to the airport. I occupy only one seat in my car. Now, suppose that you live a block away and you also need to catch a flight. Why don't I give you a lift? You could pay me a modest sum less than you'd pay for some other mode of transport. You're better off, so am I, after all, I was driving to the airport anyway. There are two big reasons why this might not happen. The first and most obvious is if neither of us knows the other exists. Until recently, the only way you could advertise your desire for a lift would be to stand at an intersection holding up a sign saying, airport. It's not very practical, especially since the plane won't wait. This function of matching people who have coincidental wants is among the most powerful ways the internet is reshaping the economy. Traditional markets work perfectly well for some goods and services, but they're less useful when the goods and services are urgent or obscure. Consider the plight of Mark Fraser. It was 1995. Mark Fraser gave lots of presentations, and he really wanted a laser pointer. They were new and cool, but also forbiddingly expensive. Fraser however was an electronics geek. He was confident that if he could get his hands on a broken laser pointer, he could fix it up. But where on earth would he find one? The answer now is obvious. Try Taobao or eBay or some other online marketplace. Back then, eBay had only just started. Its very first sale? Mark Fraser bought a broken laser pointer. Mark Fraser was taking a bit of a risk. He didn't know the seller. He simply had to trust that they wouldn't just pocket his $14.83 and disappear. For other transactions, the stakes are higher. That's the second reason I might not give you a lift to Shanghai airport. I see you at the intersection, holding your sign, but I've no idea who you are. Perhaps you're intending to attack me and steal my car. You might doubt my motives too. Perhaps I'm a serial killer. That's not a completely ridiculous concern. Hitchhiking was a popular pursuit a few decades ago, but after some sensationally reported murders, it fell out of fashion. Trust is an essential component of markets. So essential that we often don't even notice it, like a fish doesn't notice water. In developed economies, enablers of trust are everywhere. Brands, money-back guarantees, and of course, repeat transactions with a seller who can be easily located. But the new sharing economy lacks those enablers. Why should we get into a stranger's car or buy a stranger's laser pointer? In 1997, eBay introduced a feature that helped solve the problem. Seller feedback. Jim Griffith was eBay's first customer service representative. At the time, he says, no one had ever seen anything like it. The idea of both parties rating each other after a transaction has now become ubiquitous. You buy something online, you rate the seller, the seller rates you. You use a ride-sharing service like Uber, you rate the driver, the driver rates you. You stay in an Airbnb, you rate the host, the host rates you. A few positive reviews set our mind at ease about a stranger. Jim Griffith says of seller feedback, I'm not so sure eBay would have grown without it. Online matching platforms would still exist, of course. eBay already did. But perhaps they'd be more like hitchhiking today, a niche pursuit for the unusually adventurous, not a mainstream activity that's transforming whole sectors of the economy. Platforms like Uber and Airbnb, eBay and TaskRabbit create real value. They tap into capacity that would have gone to waste. A spare room, a spare hour, a spare car seat. They help cities be flexible when there are peaks in demand. I might let out a room only occasionally when some big event means the price is high. But there are losers. For all the touchy-feeliness of the buzzwords, collaborative, sharing, trust, these models aren't all about heartwarming stories of neighbours coming together to borrow each other's power drills. They can easily lead to cutthroat capitalism. Established hotels and taxi companies are aghast at competition from Airbnb and Uber. Is that just an incumbent trying to suppress competition? Or are they right when they complain that the new platforms are ignoring important regulations? Many countries have rules to protect workers, like guaranteed hours or working conditions or a minimum wage. And many people on platforms like Uber aren't just monetising spare capacity. They're trying to make a living. Without those protections of a formal job, perhaps because Uber competed them out of a job. Some regulations protect customers too, for example, from discrimination. In many countries, hotels can't legally refuse you a room if you're, say, a same-sex couple. But hosts on Airbnb can choose to turn down guests, after seeing not just your feedback, but your photos. How online matching platforms should be regulated is a dilemma causing lawmakers around the world to scratch their heads. It matters because it's potentially huge business, especially in emerging markets where there isn't yet a culture of owning things like cars. And it's a business with network effects. The more people use a platform, the more attractive it becomes. That's why Uber and its rivals, Didi Chuxing in China, Grab in Southeast Asia, Ola in India, have invested massively in subsidising rides and giving credits to new customers. They wanted to get big first. And naturally, some drivers have been tempted to defraud them. Remember how they did it? By using an online forum to find a willing fake customer, or an online marketplace to buy a hacked smartphone. Matching people with particular wants really is useful. SPEAKER_01: An important source was Jim Griffith's oral history interview on the eBay corporate website. For a full list of our sources, please see bbcworldservice.com slash 50 things.