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You're listening to TED Talks Daily. I'm your host, Elise Hu. Women are often paying the price when culture teaches a version of manhood
that's all about competition and conquest instead of care. Gender equity advocate Gary Barker lays it out in his 2023 TED Women Talk
and explains why we all have a stake in changing this and how after the break.
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SPEAKER_00: This is a hard conversation. I want to start with that. But let's step into it.
It was 1977. Jimmy Carter was president. Queen was playing on the radio. I was having lunch in my high school cafeteria in Houston, Texas, when we heard a young man shouting at another young man next to him saying, you stole my girlfriend and I'm going to make you pay. He pulled out a pistol and as about 100 of us looked on, he shot and killed him.
Two years later, I was a freshman, big state university, Friday night in the dorm room.
Music, beer, five young men take a young woman back to one of the rooms and force her to have sex.
There was no investigation at the time. No one called it rape. No one said sexual violence.
These two events are what drove me to do this work.
I worked with survivors of violence around the world. It was somehow easier to work with survivors in other parts than it was to think about this in my own country of the US.
And in that work, a through line became clear.
And that through line is manhood.
It is an inconvenient and difficult to look at truth, but the majority of violence in the world is carried out by men. Since that shooting in my high school, at least 800,000 people have died from gun suicide in the US alone, the vast majority of those men.
About 600,000 people have died of homicide in the US alone. The vast majority of those who did the killing were men.
One in three women in the world experiences violence from a male partner.
Violence is overwhelmingly male. Often the point will come up, this must be biology.
Yes, biology accounts for a small portion of it,
but the vast majority is how we raise boys.
Research that we do ... Research that we've carried out finds that about,
and we ask this in multiple countries, about two-thirds of men tell us that during childhood
they experience physical violence from another male.
You do not get to adult manhood in most of the world without experiencing, witnessing and learning male violence.
Now, when I bring these points up, several things often happen. One is someone who is a male,
Now, when I bring these points up, several things often happen. One is someone will say, well, you're attacking men.
Someone will also say, well, you're apologizing for men as you look at these origins of violence. We've got to talk about this.
We have to understand what are these pathways to men's use of violence if we're to break these cycles of violence. This conversation must be about the version of manhood we literally beat into boys. My organization, Equimundo, does research around the world on these topics.
We listen to men, we carry out research, together with the UN, country governments, local partners.
We've been measuring over the last 10 to 12 years where men are on these versions of manhood.
This won't surprise you as we look at some of the numbers.
About 40 to 50 percent of men in the world believe in a version of manhood that goes like this. I've got to outperform the other at all costs.
I can't show that I'm vulnerable or ask for help.
That sex is about conquest, not about intimacy and connection.
That you've got to show that you're tough all the time and that violence is a reasonable way to get what you want. These are not just empty phrases.
These are things that men talk about. They create realities. The other thing we find is that the more you believe in these norms,
these ideas about manhood, you are multiple times more likely to do this,
to have considered suicide, to use violence against others, to harm yourself and to harm others in multiple ways. These norms affect us, they cause harm.
Now, I realize I'm doing in that last affirmation something that I said I wasn't going to do in this talk, which is women know this. And when a man explains to women something they already know,
we have a word for that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that, OK?
Pull that back.
What I do want is to get men talking about this. So call this mansplaining to men. Thank you for that,
because I don't get a lot of men inviting me to the bar when I have these conversations, so thank you. Thank you for that love.
What I do often bring up with men, and you can see why they find me kind of inconvenient to have around, is I'll say, men, we die on average six years earlier than women in the US. Around the rest of the world, pretty similar numbers.
Why is that? Part of that's biology. We know this. The female body is a better model.
The vast majority ...
Let us acknowledge that. The vast majority of this, though, is how we live as men. What we drink, what we smoke, how we drive, the harm we put ourselves in the way of, the drugs that we take, how we literally live as men. Of course, it interacts with racism, with where you live, with poverty, but we're literally dying of manhood. Women pick up the pieces when men die early.
They are the ones who do the care, who carry on households, who carry on in countries when men die. This affects us all.
My daughter, when she was 12, 13, middle school, she said,
Dad, girls are talking a lot about empowered womanhood and how we can be in the world, but the boys seem kind of lost. Could you come and give a talk at school about this?
So, for better or worse, I started with this example.
The boys' eyes were going up, Wait, I never thought about the fact that I could die on average earlier than women because of all these reasons.
Next day, I get a letter, a note from one of the boys. He gave it to my daughter to give to me, and I opened it up, and it said, Dear Dr. Barker, thank you for that information. I had never thought about how we as men are affected by these things. Only now, I'm worried about dying. Phew.
I am a developmental psychologist, and I should know a little bit more than having a 12-year-old think about his own mortality.
I'm trying to get some help for that myself.
The point was, he got it, and that is what we need men to think about, this pathway as how to step into how we as men are part of this conversation
and how we benefit from it. Okay, risk of mansplaining here. You know where men are having these conversations if we don't talk to them. Young men right now are having these conversations online.
There is an explosion of conversations about manhood online. Some of them are good.
How much water to drink, the exercise you should carry out, how can I get close to somebody I'm interested in.
That guy is trying to be their best selves. But there's a huge amount of it that's fed by an industry of misogynist and angry influencers who are getting the attention of young men. Our research finds that 40 to 50 percent of young men in the U.S.
say they trust one or more of those negative voices online.
Why are they going there? They are lost, they are struggling, they are confused. Other data that we have, almost 50 percent of men in the U.S. think about suicide frequently.
About two-thirds of young men tell us that no one really knows me. What a call and a cry about loneliness in their lives.
If we don't reach out, they will continue to find solace online with the voices that we well know about. For young men of color, these issues are even more acute. Job uncertainties, education, systemic racism.
One young man that we worked with in Washington, D.C. when he was part of a training activity to carry out work in schools, as we were going through the training of trainers, he said, Gary, these ideas of manhood that you talk about, for a white guy like you, it's like the flu.
For me as a black guy, this is pneumonia.
I think that's an excellent point to think about, the compassion that we have to step into as we have this conversation. And this is where I want to take the last point here.
We have to talk about care.
Care of boys, care about boys, care for men,
and talk to boys and men about how they care.
Let me talk a little bit more about that. One of the casualties that we face as men growing up
in that version of manhood that I presented to you is that we make this thick shell around ourselves. We close off our emotions, we close ourselves off to the human connection we need.
Think about what young men frequently say. I would guess, I don't know that we've asked it in a survey, but one of the most frequent things that young men say,
I don't care. I don't care. I don't care.
It is our perfect shell, right? We close ourselves behind it, and it also says, you can't shame me, you can't question me, you can't hurt me, you can't embarrass me, because I don't care.
I said it thousands of times as a teenage boy, I'm sure my mother would have a bigger number,
and I know I've said it thousands of times as an adult man as well. This is the shield that we put on to close ourselves off.
The conversation that we need to step into with boys is not about their mortality, but it is about how we care.
Where I start that conversation is to think about our superpower as humans.
We are the most wired-to-care species on the planet. Our neurological systems, our hormonal systems are wired to care, to nurture, to love, to form attachments with others. But it's not automatic.
If you don't use it, if you close it off, if you hide, you don't get good at it.
But if you try, and if you practice, and if you learn it, you do get good at it. Even the man who seems most cut off from the world can learn it.
I'll take you back to my high school in 1977.
The boy who killed the other,
I didn't tell you this part, but I knew him.
It took me years to say I didn't know him well, because I didn't want to know him well.
He got detention, he bullied, he got detention again, he didn't do well in school, he got sent away. No one apparently reached out to him.
Think about what we often do when boys or men cause harm.
If you're young, we give you a time-out.
You get a little bit older, we give you detention.
You step into the workplace, you do harm, we fire you.
You do something else, we incarcerate you.
These acts are often necessary to reduce harm, but they cut men off from the connection and humanity that we need,
even when men have caused harm. I am not in saying this.
I'm not affirming or believing that we should give any man a free walk for harm that is caused. We must hold men accountable for harm caused. No question about that. We must call out with deep compassion when men do cause harm.
We've also got to call in to being connected, caring humans.
This is not instead of, and I think this is very important to end on, this is not instead of the unfinished journey for full equality, respect and rights that every woman and girl on the planet deserves.
This is an and conversation.
We must continue that journey, and we must talk about manhood. And I also believe that it is this conversation about pulling men into care that we get them to be allies for gender equality.
APPLAUSE My final point would be this. Look at the face of any three-year-old boy on the planet.
He was not born into the world to be angry, aggressive, to follow dark threads down the internet. He comes into the world ready to be loved and to learn how to love.
Take him, talk to him, teach him every day, I care.
Thank you.
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