How to live with fire | Oral McGuire

Episode Summary

In the TED Talks Daily episode titled "How to Live with Fire," Oral McGuire, a fire practitioner from Australia, shares his insights on the dual nature of fire, emphasizing its potential as both a destructive force and a beneficial ally. Speaking from his experience as a Manggirra Ballarong Nyungar from the southwest corner of Australia, McGuire discusses the integral role fire plays in his culture and the environment. He recounts the devastating effects of the 2019-2020 black summer fires in Australia, which had far-reaching impacts, including smoke that traveled as far as Chile and Argentina and discolored glaciers in New Zealand. Despite these catastrophic events, McGuire stresses the necessity of fire for the Australian landscape, which has evolved with fire as a natural part of its ecosystem. McGuire explains the concept of "the right fire," a practice deeply rooted in Indigenous cultural laws that aim to rejuvenate and balance nature rather than destroy it. He describes a controlled burn where observing insects and critters escaping the slow-moving fire indicated the fire's correctness and balance. This type of cultural burning, he argues, not only revitalizes the land but also maintains the spiritual health of the environment. Contrastingly, he criticizes the aggressive and indiscriminate burning practices often used in modern fire management, which he refers to as "legal arson," for their destructive impact on the land and sacred species like the Jara tree. The episode also touches on McGuire's personal journey with fire, including his 18-year career as a professional firefighter and his ongoing efforts to restore his ancestral lands through traditional burning practices and the planting of native species. These efforts have led to significant ecological recovery, demonstrating the effectiveness of Indigenous knowledge and practices in land management. McGuire calls for a broader adoption of these principles, emphasizing the importance of applying the right fire at the right time and place to ensure the health of the land and, by extension, the people connected to it. He concludes by highlighting fire's role as "medicine" for the land, capable of healing, cleansing, and renewing the spirit of the environment when used wisely.

Episode Show Notes

Uncontrolled fire threatens nature — but the right kind of fire can maintain the health and balance of the land, says fire management expert Oral McGuire. As a leader in the Nyungar community of southwestern Australia and a former firefighter, he connects traditional wisdom with modern techniques to wield fire in a way that promotes biodiversity and heals the spirit of the land at the same time.

Episode Transcript

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I am grateful to be here on your sacred ancestral lands.Do you see fire as friend or foe?In Australia, we have a growing issue around fire that challenges us every fire season.And because of our changing climate, there are now other places in the world that are confronted with this same challenge. My story is about my personal and cultural relationship with fire.It has been a lifelong relationship, and as a Manggirra Ballarong Nyungar, a person from the southwest corner of Australia, I acknowledge fire not only as a friend, but as a part of my being and my spirit.However, I have also seen firsthand how big a threat fire is. During the black summer of 2019 and 2020, the East Coast of Australia burned like never before, and the whole world saw. The smoke that was huge drifted across the Southern Pacific Ocean all the way to Chile and Argentina.And there were glaciers in New Zealand that turned brown from that same smoke.Paradoxically, Australia needs fire.My people applied the right fire diligently and expertly for millennia.It shaped the evolution and the DNA of the landscape and of nature itself.The elder gently reached down and lit the grass and the ground that we were standing on. As the fire slowly trickled, he said to us, go and stand near a tree and observe what you see.What we saw was amazing.There were all these various insects and critters clambering up the tree trunk, escaping the slow-moving fire. The elder then said to us, this is the best indication that our burn is the right fire. Fire has a sacredness when it is applied through our cultural law.What manifests during the cultural burning is a spiritual enlivening of nature, where country is renewed and the spirit of the land is awakened.is our sacred practice of burning country.Country, or ancestral lands, in my language, is . is 200,000 square kilometres in size.My language group is Ballinaw.Buja gives my people identity, connectedness and spirit.At the time of first contact, there were over 800 First Nations language groups and 250 distinctly Indigenous nations.Pre-colonization and for 65,000 years, Our lands were managed by cycles of creation through our first-law ways.However, since 1788, Buja has been suffering from the introduced destructive cycles of colonialism, developmentalism, capitalism and industrialization.These have all contributed significantly to climate change on my Buja.Part of my relationship with fire included me having an 18-year-long career as a professional firefighter in Perth.It is here that I learned a deep respect for the destructive force of fire and its awesome power.Since fire was considered our enemy, as fireys, we were trained to control it.So we learned about fire behavior and fire management. I would have attended over 2,000 bushfires, many of which resulted from controlled burns getting out of control and becoming wildfires.As a professional firefighter, I learned that our mission is to protect property and save life. But as First Nations and traditional custodians of our lands, our two key principles for applying the right fire is to put Buja first and to keep nature balanced. We cannot keep countries safe by burning everything indiscriminately to the ground.The ground is sacred, and we must protect and preserve it.This type of burning occurs when incendiary devices are dropped from aircraft in order to take out as much bushland as possible in the shortest amount of time.It was carried out by DBCA, an agency in Western Australia that manages parks and wildlife. This burning is destructive to nature and to Buja.The burn marks on this Jara tree, one of our very sacred species, is 10 foot high.This is not consistent with our cultural law and standards for applying fire.The dark charring indicate the intensity of the heat and the height of the flames.You can see that this landscape is devastated from this controlled burn. I remember a Nyungar elder in my community once very angrily referred to this type of burning and the people that carry it out as legal arsonists.Right across Australia and in many parts of the world, the very real impact of climate change and wildfires are destroying nature in many ways.We must today provide care for Mother Earth like never before. As Nyungar people, our fight to stay connected to our sacred lands is dependent on our ability and freedom to practice Kaulngarri.Kaulngarri requires us to be able to read country.Keeping Buja healthy keeps us healthy.When we burn the right way, we know country will regenerate in balance.The balanced health is dependent on how and when fire is applied.Remember the right fire, at the right time in the right place. Cultural burns are different across differing ecological regions.This is a cool burn in Victoria in southeastern Australia.The principles of how, why and when to burn remain consistent across all regions and amongst all First Nations groups.Fire is medicine for country.It heals the land and it cleanses it, and it renews the spirit of Buja.In 2008, my family took possession of 2,100 acres in our ancestral lands in the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia.This country had been badly over-cleared, over-grazed, over-fertilized and over-cropped.Our vision, which we saw as our responsibility, was to heal this land.So we set out to plant native endemic species. of plants, which in turn attracted all sorts of other native birds, animals, flowers and grasses to also return.My brothers and I and our children have been practising kaurngwaring on this bujar now for 15 years.This is the same photo seven years later.Today the trees in the foreground are so large they restrict the view of this landscape. The right fire at the right time is very good for our environment.It's very good for Buja, and it's very good for us.This is it today.A big part of what helped us achieve our goal, our patient ambition, was the application of kaungaring across our landscape.Kaungaring is an important element of our First Nations regenerative land management model. This regenerative land management model is a contemporary version of our traditional practice of caring for country. Seeing country in a holistic sense and understanding how it is a part of us and we are a part of it is important in the practice of caring for country.Fire management in Australia is critical to the biodiverse and ecological health of our land. When ecological health is poor or nonexistent, biodiversity and spirit is also poor or nonexistent.Therefore, to heal the spirit of our lands, we must protect, conserve and regenerate the biodiversity and ecology of Buja everywhere.Fire can be either a very important ally or a massively destructive threat. if we don't commit to manage and apply the right fire at the right time in the right place.Thank you.