What you can do to stop economic crime | Hanjo Seibert

Episode Summary

In his 2023 TED Talk at BCG, financial crime expert Hanjo Seibert delves into the pervasive issue of economic crime, highlighting the real-world parallels to the dramatic scenarios often depicted in action movies. Seibert explains that the glamorous portrayals of villains funding large-scale illegal operations through suitcases of cash or high-tech money transfers are not just fiction but reflect actual methods used in economic crimes such as money laundering, drug trafficking, and terrorism. He emphasizes the complexity and vastness of money laundering, noting that it involves sums large enough to rival the revenues of major global corporations. Seibert shares insights from his decade-long experience advising banks and companies on how to disrupt the financial networks that support criminal activities. He describes various everyday scenarios where economic crime could be lurking, such as sports events and luxury goods purchases, and provides practical tips on how individuals can help combat these crimes. For instance, he suggests paying with cards instead of cash to create transparency and always requesting receipts to ensure transactions are recorded. Moreover, Seibert touches on the broader implications of economic crime in industries like fashion and electronics, where products can serve dual purposes, such as in the manufacturing of weapons. He calls for a deeper understanding of supply chains and customer bases to prevent misuse of products and highlights the importance of data-driven monitoring to detect unusual business patterns. Concluding his talk, Seibert urges everyone to take responsibility, from consumers to corporate managers, to actively participate in thwarting economic crimes, thereby fostering a world where illegal financial activities are significantly curtailed.

Episode Show Notes

It might sound like the plot of a movie, but economic crime is all around us — from drug trafficking and fraud to cybercrimes, tax evasion and more. Economic crime fighter Hanjo Seibert breaks down the complexities of money laundering and how we can all wield our collective power to dismantle the underworld economy and turn off the money tap for criminals.

Episode Transcript

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SPEAKER_02: The villain is planning to buy illegal weapons, take out a national energy grid or hijack a satellite.And that undertaking requires an insane amount of money.That always happens in either of two ways.Scenario one. Three black SUVs driving up a dusty desert road.Three other SUVs already waiting at the exchange spot, where suitcases full of cash are being exchanged for weapons between criminals.Or scenario number two.Abandoned old warehouse.A hacker in a hoodie asking the villain where to transfer the money.And within seconds, hundreds of millions are being transferred from accounts all over the world. This is a very exciting movie plot, good versus evil, loads of money, exotic locations, and a superhero who saves the world in the last second.And now imagine this was the real life. We all know that the one superhero does not exist.But through my work in combating economic crime, I can assure you that the suitcases with cash and the hackers, they are reality, and they are on the loose every single day.For over a decade, I'm advising banks and companies in how to turn off the money tap for criminals. I get to see the underground economies created by gangsters and how they finance their operations.But that doesn't make me the next James Bond, even if you may have hoped, yeah.Sorry.Unfortunately, to master this challenge, we all need to understand what economic crime is. And economic crime is a wide field. It includes money proceeds from drug trafficking, human trafficking and sexual exploitation, fraud and cyber crimes, tax evasion and all those offshore tax havens, piracy, corruption, terrorism.And what all these scenarios have in common is that they need their profits laundered. And money laundering is complex.Criminals want to make it complex to hide the connection between the money and the underlying crime.And that disconnection between money and its dirty source, that's called money laundering.And money laundering is big. According to the United Nations, the amount of money laundered every year can be as high as two trillion US dollars.In stacked one-dollar notes, this is 57 percent of the way to the moon.Or in other words, that's more money than Apple, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Tesla and JP Morgan generate in revenues together every year.So, What can we do?Let me take you on a journey of scenarios that I've come across in my work.Through those scenarios, you can learn to identify places where criminal activity might be hiding.Let's consider you're at a sports event, say, a soccer match.You pay the entry tickets and food in cash.Did you know that in the past, authorities have found that criminals have had ownership stakes in some sports clubs? Remember our criminal from before who just sold illegal weapons and now sits on suitcases full of cash?If he or she owned a sports club, it would be easy for him or her to bring in the money and record unexpected ticket sales and invent any reason for it.Let's say the good weather today. And I get to see similar examples when working for banks who often finance sports clubs but need to make sure to not support criminals. And fraud in sports has been investigated by Europol.However, criminal activity in sports has not gone away.So, what can you do to make it harder for criminals to abuse sports clubs? As a concrete action, pay with a debit or credit card to reduce cash ratios.Cash doesn't leave a trace.A credit card does, and hence creates transparency.And if you really want to step it up, you request an official receipt for every purchase which you now made by card.Yes, even the single hot dog.The funny thing is, you don't even need to keep the receipt.Its only purpose is to ensure that the sale is officially recorded. And by the way, the same can happen in your favorite restaurant just around the corner or any other cash-intensive business.Let's move to luxury products. Those are often sold at a good discount, especially online.And come on, hey, we're all excited about good bargains, aren't we?It's commonly known that the fashion industry is flooded with fake products.But did you know that counterfeits often have profit margins of up to 2,000 percent?And this even gets worse if the beneficiary of those 2,000 percent is a criminal organization or even a terrorist. In 2015, the Charlie Hebdo headquarter here in Paris was attacked, leaving 12 people dead and 11 injured.The attack was partially financed through the sale of fake products, and I get to see similar examples when working for banks who are required to monitor their clients' transactions and spot irregularities like the sale of fake products.So, what can you do to make it harder for criminals to sell fake products? First, Be conscious on where you buy your luxury goods and clothes.Online, look for legit websites like HTTPS and safe payment methods like credit cards with additional security questions.Offline, go to official retail stores.Second, if discounts sound too good to be true, well, they probably are too good to be true.And third, if there isn't an instant return policy, it's a red flag. And by the way, the same can happen in fast fashion or even with counterfeit medicine.And all those examples are just out of our ordinary life.Money laundering can happen in the corporate world as well, at scale. So money laundering can happen in any industry, but let's consider seamlessly harmless household appliances like washing machines or refrigerators. Did you know that those household appliances contain microchips and other control electronics which are being used to manufacture or repair weapons?For example, Kazakhstan.Kazakhstan's import of electric breast pumps which include microchips, went up by 600 percent in the second half of 2022, whilst Kazakhstan's birth rate went down by 5 percent in the same period.And that's the kind of thing that might indicate that something fishy is going on.And I'm supporting clients in understanding where their products are being sold and used especially so-called dual-use goods, which are products that can be used for private but also for military purposes like, say, medical probes, batteries, lasers, nuclear materials, avionics, navigation and many, many more.So what can any company do to make it harder for criminals to abuse their products? Understand your supply chain.Who are your suppliers and suppliers of suppliers? And who are your customers and customers of customers?Also, introduce data-driven monitoring on key business debts and understand why, for example, sales in certain regions are skyrocketing.For over a decade, I've been seeing companies take less action than needed to combat economic crime. And we have discussed how terrible the consequences of not acting can be.And we know that the company does not exist.It's us as employees, as managers, as customers.And we have the power to challenge and change the status quo, which means to stop saying, I don't care, or what difference do I make?No.We need to scratch beneath the surface like we did in the examples before and hence demand transparency. We live in difficult times. The question we need to ask ourselves is, in what kind of world do we want to live?And how much room is there for this underground economy, which is ruled by criminals, gangsters, terrorists?So it's on us as consumers, as investors, as individuals, as law-abiding citizens, to raise our voice individually and collectively, to jointly become that superhero, who ensures that the suitcases are empty and the criminal bank accounts show red zeros.This message will hopefully not self-destruct in three, two, one.Thank you.