SPEAKER_02: Why does the scale of the theft matter? Well, because you have to look at and say, are they infringing on Disney's ability to do something in the world? So let's say you and I decided we were going to create an event where we had a Jedi Knight Party. Okay, great. Happy birthday, Jake. Al is a Jedi Knight Party sets the theme. Great Star Wars theme. Everybody has a great time. Now imagine we said, wow, everybody has such a great time at this. Let's make it a permanent installation at cow holla, we'll get a building, and then we'll charge 50 bucks to come and it's like, well, that sounds like Star Wars town at Disney World, Disney World. And so that's where the scale of something that the monetization of something comes in. This
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SPEAKER_02: slicey poo. I'm an investor in Sonny's product. And we're close personal friends. We play poker every week we hang out. And we geek out and Mondays are for geeking out. Let's geek out. What do you got? Let's do it first on the agenda for today.
SPEAKER_01: Very excited about the first one because it's we're gonna be you know, we've been saying this like AI all the way down. And we've been talking about doing a little this weekend startups AI summit. Yes, how to be a lot of fun to do a live event where it's
SPEAKER_02: just all demos of cool stuff. Yeah. And exactly just, you
SPEAKER_01: know, kind of get it all going. And so I decided to use this, you know, so figma released this new thing called figma jam. And what I did here, figma jam, and so what you can go in here and I'll just kind of cut and paste here. So I'm gonna say I need to work for for planning the upcoming this weekend startups AI conference. And what it'll do in figma right there is it was going to give you everything you need to get this conference going. And yeah, I just did this live right in front of you. And you can see here is like, who's there? What are the goals in this particular meeting? What's the speaker lineup, conference venue, accommodations, transportation. And so it just, it's really incredible. They can do this for any type of, you know, workflow or brainstorming or product review or anything you need. And then you can add to it. So did it miss something because you've done a lot of conferences, J Cal. So did it miss something that you'd have it like, as you were going to kind of sit down and do the you know, the workflow planning for the start of the conference
SPEAKER_02: venue, I guess venue would be under it says venue conference venue, conference venue right here. Yeah, I can zoom in. So yeah, and then you would need to do the format. So the
SPEAKER_02: editorial format, like you have speakers, but then there's the editorial format, like, are we gonna do fireside chats? Are we going to do demos? So what's the schedule and the lineup basically, so I see there's a speaker line up there. But it didn't go drill down to that second thing. So I was thinking, you know, hey, what is the most important format for us? Or is it going to be keynotes? Is it going to be panels, breakout sessions, whatever? So wait, how did it do all that? The speaker
SPEAKER_02: was so we said, can you add a section to site on the
SPEAKER_01: editorial format? So it said keynote speakers, panel sessions, breakout sessions. So just it keeps iterating with you. So I just so the first one didn't have that. And so then it kind of basically another prompt. So just so I gave it another prompt right here. Yeah, for people who are watching, you're on youtube.com
SPEAKER_02: slash this weekend, just type in this weekend startup, she'll find us on YouTube. And you can see us demoing this. Now if you're on audio, you have a generate box where you type in what you're looking for. So the first prompt was I need a workflow for planning and upcoming this week and startups AI conference. And it gave us would you say there's a Kanban board or it's just a Yeah, I guess figma designs like
SPEAKER_01: took a canvas Kanban board. I like yes, or whiteboard. It's
SPEAKER_02: kind of like a whiteboard session here. So kind of put the agenda etc. But he said, Can you add a section to decide the editorial format. And when you did that, it changed the speaker lineup to a more granular view of an event, which was keynote speakers, panel discussions, breakout sessions and workshops. So this is really good work. And then on the logistics, it has accommodations, transportation, technical requirements, venue, and then it added what's this final section on the right? Well,
SPEAKER_01: this is where it's interactive, right? So it said, when in order in this meeting, because we're going to use this board, how are we going to decide the editorial format. And so it kind of gave us some ideas on how to how to think through the editorial format as well. Which then here we have live streaming as option
SPEAKER_02: one, recorded videos, option two, written summaries and interactive slides. So this is like a hodgepodge of ideas. It's actually kind of helpful. Because if you were doing your first time conference, and I was a conference producer, which I've been doing for 30 years, these are the things that I would tell you, like, are you going to live stream it? Are you going to charge for the live stream? Are you going to record the videos? Because if you do an event, and you want to live stream, well, now you've got a cohort of issues you need to deal with. Can this play this is place have a stable internet connection with an Ethernet cable? Do you have a you know, a high powered machine dedicated to that? Because now you need a laptop to just do that. You know, and now this isn't when we're going through this board. It's not listening to us right now. So this isn't. It's not listening to us. But then I did another
SPEAKER_01: one. I said revenue generation ideas, and it gave us right, because you just said that. And so and so for those listening, I just typed that and said, we need to brainstorm monetization. So I said offer premium tickets, create sponsorships, yeah, also virtual marketplace, yada yada yada, right partner with space on the conference website. This is so you know, think about this J Cal, right?
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, if you had an event planner, what you just did, I would say is the first half of what an event planner would do. Yeah, a full 50% of what an event planner would do is, they would say, here are the things you need to address. You know, here are the here are the top level things, just like, you know, creating a spec, right. And so there are worksheets, you know, that exist on the internet, probably, there are probably some articles about this. And then what we could say is, how would you market this, right? So you could add that as a prompt, how would we market the event? Or how should we market the event, and then you can do, hey, we need a budget. And so when we use the term AI all the way down, what we meant was, AI will be in fact, every single thing you're doing. Correct. So what would be very nice here is if while we were talking, figma was listening. So we didn't have to type in the prompts, it would just be kind of another participant in the meeting. So I'll call this type of AI prompt AI. prompt AI I'm looking for is participatory AI. So this will be a blog post for me. What I mean by participatory AI is the AI is the guide on the side. They're participating, listening, interacting with you. So what I would like here is some combination of the talking mode, what we refer to in the industry as her mode from the movie her. Yeah. Where Joaquin Phoenix is talking to his AI love interest. I would love to have an AI here that would be in collaborative mode, or participatory mode AI, where they were listening to our conversation saying, sorry to interrupt. Some deep and J Cal, I've added a section here for
SPEAKER_02: marketing. And these are the top marketing concepts. So right here, you want to listening in mode, you turn it on, as we're
SPEAKER_01: having our zoom or whatever format we're having the meeting in, ideally in IRL, it's basically just pulling it all in and doing this real time and this, this Kanban board, this figma jam board is is reading in real that whiteboard, that would be really cool.
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SPEAKER_01: had published spreadsheets or something. Yeah, yeah. And it's
SPEAKER_02: pulling all those all that collateral, it's scraped. And now it's regurgitating it back to you in real time in this format. So it's basically stealing content, liberating content, and then blaming it as its own and posting it up here. For us to work with what I would like it to do is the next step, which is to make a list, make a to do list, make action items, and then actually start doing those to do items. So it's a Would you like me to make a logo? So branding, we should have branding and naming. So if you if you put into figma jam, come up with some names for an AI demo day, or a showcase, and come up with a logo. I've been playing with Dolly, you probably saw me like doing all in logo with Mark. Yeah, I saw that. Literally did that in 10 seconds. Now you can't do anything. I also did one over the weekend, where I said make me a Bulldog Jedi Knight make me a Bulldog version. Yeah, and I was trying to see if I could get chat GPT is Dolly on mobile, number one to make the images but number two, to make images that they did not have the rights to that were derivative works that were based on IP. This kind of takes us into, well, there's no way to stop this. This did it on open crawl. But there is a conference producer whose work this is. Yeah, I don't know if they're going to be able to find out who actually did this sunny. Like the model of who's drafting off
SPEAKER_02: of here.
SPEAKER_01: You got to remember, it's not the whole thing, right? Because it could be one 100th is from this website, and another 100th is from this, you know, PDF and another, because it's just pulling it, it's pulled it together from a lot of different pieces. It's not like a holistic, you know, so it's death by 1000 cuts. They've stolen a penny from 1000
SPEAKER_02: people's bank accounts, or a million people's bank accounts. And here they are now they got thousands of dollars, but nobody misses the penny.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wouldn't say stolen because it's sort of the way we operate. It's the way we learn right when we we create, we've read a bunch of books, we've had a bunch of experiences in real life, and then we stitch those together. And it turns into something new and creative for us, right?
SPEAKER_02: plagiarism, if you've taken enough source material, that it's not a large percentage of anyone. It's a collection of learning. Can't argue with that. It's a hard thing to argue from with because it is wholesale. If you look at the end result is, you know, if I read five books on how to do a startup, and I did a startup, would I be stealing that IP? No, yeah. And the intent of that person was to have you use it. Now, if I made a bunch of templates on the web, and I said, you know, these are my templates, I make money from advertising on this. And these are my conference templates and my PDFs on how to do it. And I sell an advanced one. And, you know, I put a little bit out there to get people to the events. But now if you ingested that, you now have created a derivative work based on my work. And if this all came from, you know, a smaller subsection of people, you know that it would feel like stealing. So this is where fairness comes into play. Does this feel fair or unfair? If you're the conference producer who made a conference website to try to attract people to your conference website, and the AI is putting it out there. This feels profoundly unfair. Just like you were all dries. You don't think so? Yeah, because if it
SPEAKER_01: only had one piece of information, then you know, to your point, like you could feel like that's plagiarism. But you know, because these things have access to, you know, most of the internet. And let's, you know, and I think in your in your David, the one interview from adapt, he also called out that they licensed a bunch of material. So what if they went to a bunch of folks and paid them and said, I feel great about if you're licensing it, and the person gets 500 bucks a
SPEAKER_02: year to create a derivative work, I feel great about it. Okay, so this is what I did this weekend. So check this out. Oh, I and these are beautiful images. So I said, make a Jedi Bulldog. And it made it. Yeah, great. Now, the next image I did. So now look at this interaction. This is very interesting. I want to get your response. I said, Now make a cat version of Darth Vader. Dolly said to me, I'm unable to generate images based on your request due to our content policy. No link to it. No explanation of what the content policy is. If you have any other ideas or concepts you'd like to explore, feel free. I said make me a Sith Lord cat. Oh, yeah, here's the image of a Sith Lord cat. So it must have in its database that Darth Vader is protected IP. Correct. Don't let people make Darth Vader just like it doesn't do real images. Like I said, make something based on Jason Calacatis as a Jedi. It won't do it. Yeah, but it would make that then I asked it check this one out. The next thing I asked chat GPT to do was I moved over from Dolly to chat GPT. And in that same thread, I asked it to make me a sequel to the shining. That's my very next tweet. And it did an amazing job. I said write a short story about the characters from the shining, the shining. And it was like, certainly, here's a short story featuring the characters from the shining. So it knows the shining is protected IP and it just created derivative work on this. Yeah, to the harrowing events at the Overlook Hotel, Wendy and Danny Torrance sought a new beginning, they moved to a small peaceful town and made far from the nightmarish memories of past the townspeople were warm and welcoming tree by the newcomers, but respectful of their privacy. And I was like, Wait a second, where does the this collection land on, you know, in our debate, me being very sensitive to IP and creators, in this case, Stephen King, George Lucas Disney and their IP. And in your case, hey, it's learning from the internet. You know, well, there's there's a fact that this is protected IP, like explicitly protected high profile IP that has proven value in the world change your position. What's your position on this?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so these to me are distinctly different than the example we were putting in figma jam, right? Because the the process or method or the template to create a conference, there could be, it's hard to nail it down to one particular one. But a Bulldog Jedi Knight is very clearly, you know, there's no other Jedi Knights out there because of the copyright. And there's no other Darth Vader's and there's not even other Sith Lords, right. And so yes, I feel like that, you know, I don't think I'm kind of having two different stances. But I think in that case, it does feel like a violation. Now, what I recall, and I want you to chime in here, because I'm not really a copyrights, you know, person, I don't really understand it well. And I think this is allowed in music as well. Someone is allowed to recreate something. Like you can do a drawing of a Jedi Bulldog Jedi commercial use non commercial use. And you can visit is a fair use doctrine. Yeah. And so if
SPEAKER_02: you do things that are non commercial, now chat GPT is a commercial product, I'm paying 20 bucks for it. So chat GPT is making $240 a year to allow me to make Disney characters or Disney inspire characters. So that's where we get in a rub here. Now, if you have an open source project that nobody really is responsible for, it's like, who do you sue? There's no target there. So that falls out of it. Now, IP and fair use. And the laws here in the United States are very different than many around the world. But people tend to follow our lead. Yep. And, you know, the truth is that they don't make bright lines. Why don't they make bright lines? Well, because there are some uses that are clearly like if a child draws a Jedi Knight of their Bulldog, you're not gonna have the police come and arrest them. Disney's totally cool with that. But once you introduce commercial benefit, that's where you have this doctrine of that was the IP, the original IP owner should have the right to that opportunity. So if I am Star
SPEAKER_02: Wars, they should have a Disney plus AI that allows you to do this. And then if you want to produce it in the world, it would put at the bottom created by Disney plus. So this should be built into Disney plus, you can make any characters you want, you can put your face on it, my face on it, make birthday cards, and you can go print them. So all of this should happen there. And Etsy is the an example of people creating bespoke, single use products, etc. And when they do stuff, yeah, they can get in trouble for this. And so there is a constant tug of war with Disney going to them and saying, Listen, you can't make Jedi robes or whatever, or they'll let people do it. And it's up to the IP owner. But I did buy a Jedi outfit, because I went to a samurai party once. And I said, I thought it'd be fun to come as because I know the Jedi were inspired by the samurai. Yeah. So I bought a samurai Jedi outfit, an Obi Wan Jedi outfit. And yeah, so you can buy all this stuff on Etsy. Yeah. And just for those listening, we're
SPEAKER_01: just scrolling through just Jedi Knight merchandise on Etsy. Now
SPEAKER_02: you could be an artist, and you could make a pop culture reference, like Andy Warhol did of a Campbell soup thing. And you know, they don't have recourse. But if you were to do it at scale, they might have recourse. So yeah, these are very, very thing. Are you saying that Disney doesn't care? Because
SPEAKER_01: these are individuals that are, you know, maybe selling 10 or 20 t shirts or 100 at most, but it because open AI is a now a you know, $100 billion company that is scale matters. The scale of
SPEAKER_02: the theft matters. Why does the scale of the theft matter? Well, because you have to look at and say, are they infringing on Disney's ability to do something in the world? So let's say you and I decided we were going to create an event where we had a Jedi Knight party. Okay, great. Happy birthday, Jake Allen is a Jedi party. So that's the theme. Great Star Wars theme. Everybody has a great time. Now imagine we said, wow, everybody has such a great time at this. Let's make it a permanent installation at cow holla, we'll get a building, and then we'll charge 50 bucks to come and it's like, well, that sounds like Star Wars town at Disney World, Disney World. Yeah. And so that's where the scale of something that the monetization of something comes in. So when you look at figmas, what do they call figma jam, fig figma jam? Yeah, good name. I give the
SPEAKER_02: figma tape a lot of credit. I like the name. They're using a language model to go find, you know, best practices, there might be 10,000 documents of best practices out there. It doesn't feel like any one person is having too much stolen from them, you know, but you know, this is where like the images in Dolly, or I guess it was stable diffusion when it had the Getty logo on it. And the index on that. This is where the problems come in journey all these Okay, just depends on you need to have somebody who feels exploited in order to have copyright lawsuits happen. And so that's why a lot of these go back to Disney because Disney is a very old company and the rights to Disney's characters were going to fall into the public domain and Mickey Mouse, a lot of these laws literally revolve around protecting Mickey Mouse,
SPEAKER_01: it's going to be very interesting. Like it's kind of it's tough for me because I like to see the advancement but I also respect copyright holders. So in the case of the Bulldogs, and I see the difference between sort of the Etsy use case and then your individual use case as well. And the shiny one is fan
SPEAKER_02: fiction. So now if you were to do fanfiction, you can do that. It's no big deal. Yeah. Now, if you try to sell the fanfiction, it turns out 50 Shades of Grey, which became a huge movie franchise with a lot of money. It started my understanding is as Twilight fanfiction that was Twilight erotica. So there is a great company called Wattpad. One company, Canadian company, it's done very well. And they help people monetize, monetize, monetize fanfiction. And, you know, Star Trek, I think took a heavy hand Star Wars, took a will give you the sounds to make a lightsaber video. And we'll give you the collateral and teach you how to do it. But you can't commercialize it. So that's like there's a kid who does Star Wars theory. And he did a movie about Darth Vader, and he's doing a second part on it. Wow. And as long as he doesn't sell the movie, he can raise money as donations and make the movie. But as long as he doesn't sell it, Disney has given people the okay. So you know, are you building the next great AI product? Well, if so,
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SPEAKER_02: software. I like it being built into any number of pieces of software. And if you want to impress your boss, if you're a young person or young in your career, like in a new position, like you're new to a position. If you worked for me and said, Hey, I know we're doing the angel summit again, we're going to call it liquidity this time, I'm changing the branding of angel summit to liquidity. So I want to make it go beyond angels because I have all these LPS and hedge fund people coming now. So liquidity, the liquidity summit, liquidity conference, and I'm
SPEAKER_02: going to do a podcast called liquidity for like 10 episodes where I put together a little bit of a roundtable or it may be solo and I haven't decided yet but this liquidity podcast I want to do I want to have an LP, okay, a GP. And then like a
SPEAKER_02: hedge fund manager or an economist. Okay, and just talk about capital allocation writ large. What do you think that idea? Interesting. It's definitely up market. And I
SPEAKER_01: think, yeah, and I think it's nice. So it's got to be smaller. If you can tie it back in, like you don't want to. I mean, I spoke at the last conference that you did, right? The one in that. And I thought it was excellent. And I thought like that was that was going in the right direction. So as long as you don't get too far away from what you were doing there, because I thought the content was excellent. I thought what you explained everyone on the vision of the fund and everything happening was good. So just don't get too far away. Don't leave everyone behind J Cal you're the you're out there fighting for the little My idea is to have the angel investors, their high net worth
SPEAKER_02: individuals, got it have LPS there. People who back funds have some GPS there, who can help pay for the party, basically subsidize it, and who get benefit from meeting LPS. And then maybe, you know, like I had Gavin there. Yeah, you had Gavin bakery degree talk ahead, Steve Jervison did a great talk, you did a great job. So you know, the three of you did these incredible talks. And so that's, that's my thinking on it is like to do that. But now my point was, if somebody on my team who was doing event production, use one of these tools, and then had this all organized and then formatted into questions and made a document or brought this up, was like, Hey, can we do a jam session on this with figma jam, I set it up already, I would assume that they did all that work. Yeah, and I would
SPEAKER_02: then give them credit. So if you want extra credit, and you're a remote employee, you can probably use these tools to make it look like you're doing a ton of work, do 15 minutes of work, and then screw off for three hours and 45 minutes, and your boss is probably gonna think he did a lot. Or you can work for somebody like me who does it and then says, this took me 15 minutes and chat GPT. People ask me questions now remember that website? Let me Google that for you. Let me Google it for you. Can somebody in the audience make? Let me GPT that for you? Yeah. Because people are like, how do I do x and I'm I literally take I cut and paste their question into chat GPT bard. Send it back to him as a share. And I take and I send it back to him as a share and I take three screenshots and I put it in the public slot. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know, I just did this. Yeah. Here we go. I give this a B plus. Okay, it was a B plus. This was inspiring to see. Okay, zero. I think this is really I'm at a minus I'm at a minus for this
SPEAKER_01: because I like the feature. I was quite a little bit higher. But I like the features that you said if it could just iterate while you're, you know, talking or something like that, that would that would basically take it to being a perfect product, essentially, why not just add, they can do this with like
SPEAKER_02: they're, you can either do this with zoom, you can make this a zoom plugin, or you could add your own audio to it. Yeah. And then just to the team at figma. They're awesome. Yeah, just let us do a little discussion while we're doing this and talk to the AI. Yeah, much better experience. Yeah, or have the AI listening to us. And then actually, a good bridge that would be have the AI listening and have it just give a running list of potential prompts. And you just click run prompt, run prompt, run. Yeah. And you like to create a budget? Yes or no? Yeah. And J. Cal, as you always do, as the world's greatest
SPEAKER_01: moderator, it's a good segue into the next thing that's happening in AI, which, you know, you had the founder of I think it's pronounced Korea on Yeah. Recently. Yeah. And so this is what you know, what are called these like, 1850 Korea
SPEAKER_02: was spelled k r e a real time image manipulation. So they go Dolly, where that I showed that Jedi Knight and Dolly or stable
SPEAKER_02: diffusion. But when you if you wanted to move the lightsaber, change the smile or something, you can move the objects around and it changes in real time. It's really beautiful. Yeah. And
SPEAKER_01: so I'm doing a share here now for those watching, and this is becoming something quite real. So I have a picture with a moon and I kind of squiggle the maybe look what I wanted to be a mountain in the background and you can see its creativity change as I'm moving around. And dragging a circle around on the
SPEAKER_02: left. That is like your heads up display. It's just a little circle made in like a Microsoft eight window. Looks very bit mappy basic. On the right, you have stable diffusion creating beautiful real time images. And it thinks in one of these that you have a woman blowing a kiss to the over here. Yeah, over here. And over here, it thinks it's a
SPEAKER_01: mountain, which is what I was kind of going for. And what this does for, like input and kind of real time discovery, editing and creativity, to me, is well beyond now the point that we were talking about earlier, because here you're just seeing the power of the models and the humans kind of interacting together in very, very creative ways. When it's moving the
SPEAKER_02: image, it's giving an input to a large language model, correct? Yes, correct. Correct. Is it giving a text based one? Or is it just saying, recreate the image with the moon here, with these pixels here? Like, if you were to explain to a layperson, a five year old, whatever what's happening behind the scenes here? How is this accomplished? And what is this? Yes. So the starting point is this prompt, right, a moon and a
SPEAKER_01: starry night. So that's kind of given the frame of reference. And then what this picture on the left is doing is basically tweaks to that. So as you've probably done 100 times, right, and you as you were creating those bulldogs and cat vaders, you know, this is this is a different way to provide an input. That's not just words, because ultimately, words get translated back down into numbers for machines, right. And so this is just another representation. And that's why, you know, it's funny, I had this tweet on the weekend saying, we need to just stop calling them large language models, because there's just sequence predictors. And so in this particular case, it's using it to kind of predict what I'm looking for, by giving it an input that's not a language in any way, shape or form. Now, one could argue that this picture is maybe perhaps a representation of language because I'm trying to draw a tree. And what we're really seeing happen here, which I think is just fascinating, is that creativity explosion goes up because a lot of people don't have the ability to describe what exactly what they're looking for, and then iterate it in ways. And then you see here the create the creativity of the model when I'm on the left here. And you know, for those folks just listening, my intent was a moon with a mountain in the background. But when I move it over to the right, I get this person because it's interpretation of a person and
SPEAKER_02: thought your drawing was a person's face. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01: And that that's what it Yeah, and I think wild. That's, and this to me ties back into what you were talking about with figma jam, where we now are entering this world where it should be iterate how we're iterating this image on the right hand side by moving this picture around. Imagine we had that happening in figma jam with kind of the inputs that we were giving. We're right there. We're I mean, on this one, I say we're less than three months away from that happening.
SPEAKER_02: This is inspiring. producer john was playing with this. So if you unshare your screen, he'll show Oh, yeah, he was just doing with this. But I give this you know, right now, I feel like this is very solid. I give it a B. Okay, I feel like the images are really good. And I would almost be able to use them. I too would like to see this have some while I'm dragging stuff around if I could say if I could give a prompt and say make it brighter. So I'm moving the sun around. He's moving the sun around here with the ocean. Yeah. So sun over ocean is the prompt here. And so I would like to say, Oh, make it daytime, or make it brighter, or make larger waves in the ocean, add a surfer. So while I'm dragging things around, I would like to talk to it. And this reminds me a lot of Blade Runner, where he is examining photos, and he's like, zoom in on that to the left to the right. recreate this, whatever. And then also in, of course, the incredible film Minority Report, where he's got special gloves on, and he's pinching and zooming and moving objects around a virtual desktop and AR basically, yeah, you know, projection. So again, I like having multiple inputs here. I
SPEAKER_02: like talking to it. I like dragging it around. And then you can see creativity getting really wild. And then you could say, make it trippy, or make it like a 70s photo, or, you know, put some people in, you know, bikinis and surfers out there. Yeah, make them make it more like the 60s, you know, style fashion style. Okay, yeah, put a barn fire on the beach. And then you start like really getting into massive advances in creativity. So I think this is like a 1.0 product. I give it a B. It's a solid B. All right. But again, yeah, like, I want to see multimodal input here. And I want to see more participatory AI, I want the AI talking to me. It would be great if the AI said, how can I make this better? Yeah. Or is this what you intended? So you have a location in mind, maybe we tell you, yes, do you have a specific beach in mind? Like, what are the questions the AI should ask me? It should ask me? What time of day? Do you want anything else in the photo? Do you is the sun, you want the sun brighter? Do you want the sun higher or lower? It seems like you want the sun setting. Like, it should be interacting with you more. And I find like, chat GPT is habit could easily do that today. But I feel like the people making them are not thinking holistically of the relationship between the creator. Oh, that's a really good point. You know, the really good point is that good
SPEAKER_01: creation is always in a highly interactive and this is interactive in one lab. collaborative. Yeah, you're gonna call it jam. If it's figma jam, if this is image jam, they
SPEAKER_02: make it like a jam session, which is you and I make eye contact. I'm playing the bass, you're playing the guitar, another piano. We're kind of looking at each other speeding up slowing down, giving some vibes, you know, give some vibes. Give some vibes. Okay. Well, just wait, what's your grade on here? You're very forgiving. I'm gonna be probably gonna give a B plus I'm guessing.
SPEAKER_01: No, I, I think it's a B plus, like, I think these are, look, what I'm really blown away by is, in less than a year, right, where we've gone mid journey, Dolly, we're seeing it now, this is just real time, you don't even have like, I have a mid journey with maybe 5000 generations in it, because I've iterated trying to create an image so much that like, I'm, you know, I've done it like 100 times to try to get the right image. And now having something like this is just a game changer. And, you know, I'll tell you how much of a game changer is this in September, or
SPEAKER_02: in the summer, I was trying to make the all in posters. Yeah, using the stuff and it just wasn't happening for the summit. Like we had the bestie who loved me like, yeah, we had fast times at bestie high the beach party, the beach party just wasn't working. And then this weekend, when we were doing our hearts up for all in. When I said make me put the words all in with a bunch of hearts and unicorns around it. It made it to me perfectly. And it actually put it in the right size. I guess it just defaults to the, you know, I think Instagram signs or whatever for three. Yeah, whatever that is. And I was model. Dolly is a model. I don't think so. Yeah. Is there an app
SPEAKER_01:
SPEAKER_02: I can use? That would allow me to use copyrighted stuff and upload it? Like if I wanted to upload my image and make me into a Darth Vader, how would I can I do that? Can I put up two images and have it do because I looked on the App Store. And every single app in the App Store tried to upsell me on a $7 and 99 a week subscription wouldn't let me use it. I didn't do that. Yeah. And I understand like the servers are expensive, but I couldn't find one that did what I wanted, which is what Ali does without the content restrictions. Yeah. clip that
SPEAKER_01: exists. Remember, we brought it up really quickly last week, I think clip drop. Yeah, my feeling is they'll they'll do
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SPEAKER_01: models these you know, latent consistency model real time. And what this does is it just takes your video webcam, and then you put the prompt down below. And in this case, it was just like turning me into like a version of Arnold. Okay, so there you go. Wow, yeah. Okay, on the left in real time, latent consistency
SPEAKER_02: model, you have made yourself in look like Arnold from Terminator two. Yeah, pretty convincing. And it's like a hybrid of you and Arnold. And it's doing it in what looks like pretty close to real time. Yeah. And we're sharing like a GPU. And this is like on a free thing. So you can imagine, you
SPEAKER_01: know, and I think this is what you were asking for. Like, something like this, but, you know, what I like about this is number one, it makes you look like a badass. That's first and
SPEAKER_02: foremost, what I love about it, too. And you're pretty badass already. But it lets you in real time kind of play with it. So
SPEAKER_02: again, if you were to put, you know, add a shotgun, or holding a shotgun, and wearing, you know, Ray bans, would it do that? Could you say, let's see all the shots are holding shotguns. We hard because my zoom is there. But maybe we can
SPEAKER_01: say, wearing sunglasses. Let's see what I miss. Yeah, so sunglasses. Yeah, maybe put Ray bans, mirrored sunglasses,
SPEAKER_02: mirrored Ray ban sunglasses. I'm wondering if it would, I might not know what Ray bans are, but I'm wondering if it would be a language model, and it's been it's an accident. It should have
SPEAKER_02: pictures of Ray that would have every product in the world index. Yeah. So I wonder if it would do mirrored bands. Now it's still doing the same kind of sunglasses. So yeah, I mean, it's, this is like a C plus for me. Oh, wow. C C plus. It's like, it's a novelty. It's not usable for anything in the real world yet. But we could be sitting here next year. And, you know, we could do the pod as characters from our favorite movies, movies, and or if we were doing here, I'll give you a really good use case. Let's say we're doing a table read. And we are actors in the Avengers. And I'm Iron Man and your Hulk. And we decided we're going to do a table read. Well, we could do the table read from home, and it could make me into the Hulk make you into Iron Man. And we could have the table read in the Iron Man. And we could have the table read in character. Yeah, it'd be really accretive to the performances and really help the director right. And now we can say, Hey, put us on the battlefield. You know, from endgame with anos and I'm playing vanos and you're playing Iron Man. You know, we do our scene. And we kind of get a feel for that moment. And the director is
SPEAKER_02: giving real time prompts, hey, make the scene a little more gritty, okay, add some dead soldiers, add some dead aliens, put some smoke. You know, and the director is directing the AI set creator. So imagine the set creation is being done by, you know, the art direction team and the director, the cinematographers giving the AI Christian, hey, can you make this an a shot from above? Make it letterbox? Okay, now do a cut shot to Thanos. And they would be essentially taking what is a table read, where you're just kind of working on performance and dialogue. But then you add the shots, you add the storyboards. And so you can see where this is going. So I think it's a C C plus. Oh,
SPEAKER_01: that's a that's a harsh grade. I'm gonna tell you that that is no because it's not usable. I'm bringing usability into here. We
SPEAKER_02: are past the chat. We're past the time. Well, you're like the product manager and I'm the engineer. Like I'm like, wow,
SPEAKER_01: that's really hard to do. No, no credit for technical achievement
SPEAKER_02: where we're talking about, hey, in the real world, does this apply? And he's from my level.
SPEAKER_01: That's just a model on hugging face. So you're giving people ideas to take that model and go build around it.
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I would like to see we have a company that's working on like, storyboarding and yeah, you know, doing scripts and stuff like that. And it's, it's going well. And I think this is kind of like, eventually going to be the next vision, which is from from screenplay, to storyboards, to table read, to do we produce movie? Yeah, who are a bet last week? On when some people are gonna bring it up on the next next
SPEAKER_01: weeks, but there's a couple people that messaged us. I have one more to show and then let's wrap up. Okay, you gave it a B or B might would you say, C plus, C plus, I give it I give it like, I give it from a technology perspective in a but someone's got to take it and build something around it. So hopefully one of our listeners wants to build a startup and potential. Yeah, what's your
SPEAKER_02: real grade?
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's not meant to be something usable. It's like a it's a model right now. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_02: Gap here. Yeah, on that one. We're that's very hard to do.
SPEAKER_01: And it's really well done. And it's running for free as incredible. Alright, last one. This is I wasn't able to demo it because they took it off GitHub. But I wanted to show this one because I wanted to get your thoughts on it. So these folks created this model yet and they just released it yesterday, which basically, all you do is give it a picture of yourself. And then you give it the dance as described through, you know, some kind of stick figure animation, and then it will animate you. And I'm think this is great because the Tik Tok dances need to come to an end. It's a waste. Like, you know, you said this on the all in pod, like, people are wasting their time doing this stuff. And so if this becomes commoditized, I think it's very good for society because it'll be like, well, we don't know if it's real or fake, and everyone has them and people will stop wasting their time doing dances. Okay, auto tune of dance. Yes, good way of call. That's a, you know, we're gonna dance on the left static image
SPEAKER_02: of a woman wearing a sweatshirt and sweatpants in the middle, a stick figure doing the dance, but the dance is derived from a text prompt. Is that right?
SPEAKER_01: So they haven't released a code for so I don't know what was the driving force for the dance. Maybe it was like you took someone, the right way to do it would be someone's already done the dance. And then so that's in the middle. Exactly. You take an AI to turn it into a stick figure and say, well, make me do the same dance.
SPEAKER_02: So essentially, if you'd think about like, I saw somebody complaining, and it was Elton John was complaining about Madonna lip syncing in her concerts. And he thinks like if people are paying for tickets, they should be told that they're getting lip syncing. That was kind of an interesting concept, which is like, if I'm paying to go to a concert, and I think I'm seeing a live live or semi live or recorded. And they said he
SPEAKER_02: was saying like, I sing my songs, I want credit for that Madonna presses the play button was his claim. And if you're paying 100 quid to go like, yeah, it's unfair. This basically will take it to like, the pop star doesn't need to be able to sing. And they just dance crazy, right?
SPEAKER_01: Well, they got to be able to dance because you're gonna go there and they have to, you know, they can't put a video of themselves. Yeah. Sorry about the music video. Yeah. Oh, the
SPEAKER_02: videos. Yeah. The video is like, you're just gonna be able to do crazy dance moves. Yeah. I mean, more from a societal standpoint,
SPEAKER_01: too many people are spending time doing dances. And if you
SPEAKER_02: had a fun, be a joyful time making a tik tok, I'm okay with it. If it's like, full on purpose in life, and like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's just fun. It's great. But then you should just get everything in proportion. You know, you and I like to ski. Yes, talking to a guy who told me he's skiing like 200 days a year. And I was like, I think he's moving around. He's
SPEAKER_01: moving around that right. He's got to be moving over there and southern hemisphere snowchaser snowchaser. Yeah. And I'm like,
SPEAKER_02: yeah, you know, I, I think that would be enough. You know, it's like four times as much skiing as five times as much skiing as I'd want to do in a year. But okay, sure. Go for it. Yeah, I give this like a B. I think it's really, I think this is really impressive. The output was I seen. Yeah, it's really impressive. Like that looked pretty good to me. Like, I don't know if it's the uncanny valley for you, but it was pretty close. Yeah, that's the thing I'm noticing is, you know, like the Dolly, I did one of a postcard this weekend from San Francisco, I just gave it a prompt and Dolly make me a modern version of like Tokyo Dubai in San Francisco. Or make me San Francisco in 2050 postcard, and then make it as modern as Dubai and Tokyo and it did like a really, I think a pretty good job. Yeah. And then when you looked at like it had San Francisco spelled wrong, and then it just threw in weird copy, but it did a postcard. So it didn't. It didn't have the
SPEAKER_02: polish, right? And the finish. Look at this now. You know, like if you think like if I said I want to do for the next conference, yeah, you know, collateral, we're talking about making collateral. And I wanted to make a welcome to San Francisco. This made like San ran Cisco with two eyes and welcome to is not correct. It's all kinds of Michigan in here and craziness. But fun. The image itself was acceptable. And so this is the thing like, I really think the next job of creatives is going to be everybody gets to be creative. And I think this is going to be when we look at things that are
SPEAKER_02: bad for society, things that are good for society. Everybody being able to be creative, I think, is going to be wonderful for society. The fact that you're going to be able to make a movie, write a better screenplay, make beautiful images, make collateral for your conference that's just upscaled. You do your restaurant menu, it looks like, you know, somebody spent, you know, a month on it, but you did it in a minute. All that, to me is great for society. Now, it's bad for the people who get paid a lot of money to do that, or get paid an average amount of money. But as we discussed, people used to spend on average, the average funded startup would spend five to $20,000 on a logo and a branding thing when they were a series a company. Yeah, I have to 20 is pretty low. I mean,
SPEAKER_01: probably more than that. Well, I was talking about you raised
SPEAKER_02: them $2 million to $3 million in 2010. Oh, yeah. Back in those days when you actually spent money on logos, and then 99 designs came out and yeah, you know, then you had be hands and dribble and fiber and, you know, all these up work all these incredible sites for finding somebody in Manila or Latin America for $35 or $350 or somebody at home in Canada who would do it for 500. Five to 20,000 turned into 500 to 2000
SPEAKER_02: is now going to turn to five minutes to 20 minutes, not even money. Just minutes. I think that's wonderful. I think it's wonderful. And then those artists can work on higher level things. So yeah, you give this like, this is to me as a solid day. I'd like to teach you dance moves, like Stacey does, you know, teach you the dance moves. So I can see this like, I do the move. And then it shows me what I should look like. So imagine it secures me attempting the move. Yeah, here's what perfection would look like in my body. And then I can see myself doing it perfect. So oh, I got to raise my arms a little higher, my elbows need to go up. Oh, I need to smile and put my
SPEAKER_01: foot into a ton or for your workouts like here so you can fix your form or whatever. That's actually really
SPEAKER_02: interesting. If you could show me as I would look if I did weights four days a week, I would say, Hey, do these things. And here's what you're working towards. And this is the percentage you are. Like a fit pod did this would be amazing. Yeah, you're if you commit to this number of workouts, 100
SPEAKER_02: workouts over the next year. This is what you could look like. Yeah. And then it shows you warm would look like as
SPEAKER_01: well. Yeah. And then it shows what percentage you're trending
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