SPEAKER_03: people experience bar through an app. Yep. No app. No bueno.
SPEAKER_03: Seriously, I'm not joking. If I was in charge. If I was Sundar and Sergey, I would be so on fire about this. I would create five teams. Yep. I've locked them up. I'd say you got $10 million each to build a team. You could have five people at 2 million could have three people at 3 million, I don't care what it is. overpay people give them bonuses. And whoever makes the best one. I'm going to have all five on my phone and
SPEAKER_03: whichever one I use the most is the winner. And we're going to let the audience download five different versions. We have five bars, bard one through five. I know this sounds crazy. I would at least bard one through five bard experiments. There's five different interfaces for bard. And you get to name it bard something. Yeah. Then just let the audience play with and tell
you because chat CPT is interface is elegant and simple.
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SPEAKER_03: everybody. Welcome back to This Week in Startups. It's Madra Mondays. We're back with Sunny Madra to do AI demos. Welcome back to the program. Sunday. Good to be back. Good to be
SPEAKER_04: back. It's a busy, busy day. You know, 2024. It's like the real kickoff of 2024. Today. This is the day. Yeah, January 8,
SPEAKER_03: January, real kickoff, not January 6. True. No, no, no, we won't talk about that. But we will talk about January 8, because everybody's back in the office or back at their virtual desktop, whatever they're doing. And their email, there's
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SPEAKER_04: something about AI for sure. 100% Why aren't we AI miss? Why
SPEAKER_03: aren't we adding that? And you know, I was just on a LP call before we started this taping. And I was just talking about,
they're asking me, Hey, what companies are you really excited about? And I mentioned two companies that I'm super excited about. Can we get one of them? Can we get a clip? Can we can
SPEAKER_04:
you tell us a little? I mean, podcast AI is one and you can
SPEAKER_03: see that at thisweekinstartups.com and podcastai.com. And they're doing what our producers do. They
transcribe the episode, they identify the speakers, they generate chapters, they do descriptions, titles, tags, all of that stuff in seconds. And then they're going to allow you in some new features to make clips right automatically. So
when you put up an episode, you know, you wait for a transcript, you wait for the chapter titles, this is all just done now with AI. So it saves about, you know, doing a transcript in the old
days, that would be, you know, hours and hours of work per hour, you know, maybe 10 hours to one if you were doing like a high quality transcript. Yep. Then you know, as a I got better, you know, figuring out who the speakers are, you know,
all of that, like very tight, making sure that names are correct, all that stuff. And doing tags, and stuff like that.
Suggesting titles, suggesting descriptions, all that is done now, in seconds. And I'd say it saves 10 to 30 hours per podcast
episode. Yeah, for
SPEAKER_04: and I don't know if you saw this, but Duolingo cut 10% of its contractors as it uses more AI to create content. So it's all it's all related. Yes, yes. Anything that is information
SPEAKER_03: work can be done by a large language model quicker. And the
same thing with illustrations. And, and conversely, you know, been looking at startups, and I was wondering about photography, photography, stock photography and other things the other day. And I was like, is there going to be a stock photography
business in the future, where you license a photo and pay for it? Or why wouldn't you just go and create a photo to your spec with a prompt. And if I'm doing illustrations that way for my
blog post now, I used to go to 500 pixels or creative comments to try to get an image to put as a header image, or use a funny
GIF. But you know, you want to respect copyright and all that stuff. And now, yeah, there'll be a will there be a photography
industry? I don't know, like getting a headshot be on really
high end, you know, kind of like, you'll have to really like,
SPEAKER_04:
it'll become even more expensive.
SPEAKER_03:
Yeah, then we have this other company in Malango. And what they do is really interesting. Again, this is like one of these wild companies, but they went through our accelerator. And you can take an item like a hoodie, and you can't see this on their website, their their builder is not public, you have to sign up, etc. But what they do is, let's say you were an artist, you want
to have merch, let's say want to do merch for, you know, Madra
Mondays, and this weekend startups, oh, you go on here, you use AI, you describe what you want. And you say, hey, put Sonny and Jason's photos on this. And it makes them and then it does a short run of 50 of them. But it handles all the back end sourcing. Yeah, you are the world's greatest moderator,
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because we are going to demo another one of these today.
Ah, great. So here you can like
SPEAKER_04: world's greatest angel investor, apparently, because, you know, we're trying, we're trying not all of us can be
SPEAKER_03: Billy, but shout out to true, true world's greatest, but unknown. And so every startup I'm looking at, it's either is
this startup going to be killed by AI? Or is it going to kill it using AI? Is it going to get killed? Or is it going to kill it? And you know, I was looking at SDRs, sales development
SPEAKER_03: reps, and getting leads. And I have startups in the portfolio
SPEAKER_03: that help people do that. And then I have startups pitching me. And I'm like, wow, new companies pitching me killing old companies. It's kind of wild, you know, like, all at the same time. And I, it's reminiscent. I don't know if I think you had the same experience when you were running. What was your shop? Extreme Labs, Extreme Labs in
SPEAKER_03: Canada, you had three or 400 developers in Canada, I believe. Yep, yep. I mean, this is exactly what happened with mobile, correct? It is. But there's one major difference
SPEAKER_04: this time. And I've never seen this in my career. Competition
is across every facet of technology, you can be competing
as hyperscalers, who are creating AI, you know, obviously, they have the building blocks for AI, and then they're building on top of that. hyperscalers are like GCP, AWS,
Azure, you can also you also have the incumbents who are
creating AI features into their application, SaaS services, and then all the startups. And so everyone is in the arena together right now. And we've never seen that before. And so
in mobile, that wasn't the case, because, you know, people didn't really believe in it. And it was easy for startups to kind of get into the game there. We saw a lot of that takeoff. So that's, that's one thing I'll say is really
different this time around. And I don't know if you saw
SPEAKER_03: breaking news, open AI responded, I think you may have shared in our group chat open and responded to the New York Times lawsuit. And it's not I don't say explosive, but they're pretty much saying, training data is fair use, which is
SPEAKER_03: completely I think, a losing case. But, you know, I
SPEAKER_03: understand they have to take that stance. Yeah, they've come
SPEAKER_04: and taken they've taken that stance. And we got to give them credit for that. Right? Yeah. Communicating. Yeah, that's
SPEAKER_04: awesome. At least, you know, that's what we're gonna see this year. Listen, in business, the tiny details they really matter.
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SPEAKER_04: name of the company? And what do they do? Okay, first up, it's called room reinvented room reinvented.com. They got a really nice, nice URL. And what they do is they allow you to take a picture of a room. And they don't allow people to buy
SPEAKER_04: more credits. Otherwise, I would have they don't even have billing turned on yet. This is the so this is I took this empty, you know, very standard New York or LA apartment, you know, kind of with one not even like a full patio empty room.
And then they allow you to upload it and then you can pick a type of style you want to decorate the room in. And I picked a couple ones here. Okay, so room reinvented.com lets
SPEAKER_03:
you transform your space using AI. So you take a picture of a
SPEAKER_03: space and it says here you go. Now this has existed in the form of augmented reality where you buy a couch at IKEA and you can take your phone out and kind of see what the couch might look like in your room. Yeah, but this is an interior just an AI interior designer, I think. Yeah. And honestly, like what I
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really like about it, and you know, I wish they said more credits because I would have done this room in a couple different styles. But like, this is just looking at this room in like a Scandinavian style, right, which is what it
picked. And here I did this Bohemian style. And so maybe
you're not quite sure what you want to do with your room. And you know, they have all these styles here that I'm clicking through for those that are listening. And so you can do rustic, art deco, coastal, contemporary. And you know, what
SPEAKER_04:
I think this is like, this is the step before you're starting to put the furniture in. Yes. It's like, hey, how do I want this room to look? And what do you think it would look like in these various styles? And I, I picked these two dramatically different ones, you know, obviously, Bohemian and Scandinavian are the opposite. One is sparse, and one is
SPEAKER_03: colorful, playful. Yeah, eclectic, whatever. Yeah, you
SPEAKER_04:
know, you could do ayahuasca in here or something and it'd be
SPEAKER_03:
fine. It looks like you could do some kind of a ceremony sitting on the floor there. And then the other one Scandinavian looks like you could play Scrabble sitting on the floor. Yeah. Drink tea. Both would be drinking tea. What's great about
SPEAKER_03: this is, you know, you think about information jobs, and information arbitrage, what does a designer do at their core? They have information? What is the information they contain? What is the secret to their consulting gig where they get to charge? You know, a designer is 100 200 $300 per hour. Oh, yeah, yeah. And some of them charge 10% on top of whatever they buy
SPEAKER_03: for you. So this is Yeah. So if you are an affluent person
SPEAKER_03: redesigning, you know, a million dollar multi million dollar home, you know, you could be looking at somebody spending 200
hours at $200 an hour, you know, this is not insignificant money for a base fee. And then if they buy, you know, $300,000 $400,000
for the furniture, another 30 or 40 grand, you can be in for 100,000 in design fees. Here, acknowledge that interior designer has is what are the styles? What is the lexicon? What is the language? And what this digit for us, is it taught us
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SPEAKER_03: this is Bohemian, this is Scandinavian, this is, you know, shabby she, shabby she, I've heard that this is French country, I've heard that term, but I don't know what it is. And what would be great is, and that's glam. I've heard that too. So the fact that it's teaching you and starting you on
SPEAKER_03: second and third base, I see this also happening with what's another information arbitrage, high paid career or job being a lawyer or a doctor. And so here being a doctor, you know, I'm
SPEAKER_03: going to use AI to get me to second or third base to get me to the 20 year line, get me into the red zone, and then I'll use the expert for the red zone. So in this case, I would come to my designer and say, I know I want shabby chic. I know I want to
SPEAKER_03: spend room, I took my room, I tried these other ones out, it
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didn't feel right. You know, Bohemian, not quite right. Scandinavian, hey, that's kind of what I'm thinking about.
SPEAKER_03:
Right. So if it was a 200 hour job at, you know, all in with
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the fees and everything 300, that's $60,000 in fees. And I know this sounds like a crazy number. But this is what, you know, upper middle class to affluent people pay to design a home and make it look really nice. Now you're like, you know what, instead of 300 hours and $60,000, I think I need 30
SPEAKER_03: hours to $6,000. I need 10%. Now, does this match you with
places to buy it yet? No. Right now, it's just a service that's doing the design.
SPEAKER_04: And so it's very hot off the presses. Like I said, you can't
even buy credits. Like I give it a billing fee. I give it a B.
SPEAKER_03:
It's B, it could be better. For better. It's not a B minus. It's
not a C. Obviously, it's a B because it shows this amazing potential. And for me as a B is what would make it an A. If when I have those photos, it just said, here are four different couches that match the style in this photo. Here's where you buy them. And by the way, they can then get an affiliate fee of one to 5% probably on it instead of me paying 10% to a designer. So we all save we all make more money. Everybody's got a more beautifully designed home. Yeah, what did you agree? Yeah, you
SPEAKER_04: know, I'm kind of in the same place. You know, I'm gonna we don't do this a lot, but I'm at B as well. I think it has like the bones to be something really, really powerful. I think you could see a lot of people spending time on this, especially when you're going through a redesign of like, hey, let me try different things out. And then they could also use AI because like, you know, those things that are being generated in there are probably being generated through the training
SPEAKER_04: data from that was put into the image model. But if if they can
find similar things as well. That could be interesting to in
SPEAKER_04:
terms of using AI to go find those things on the web. So there's a lot of potential here. So it's it's early, I give it a B and, you know, looking forward to seeing how they continue to grow the feature set on this one. Yeah. And you know, they
SPEAKER_03: it's interesting with the frequently asked questions on the website, I notice they're cutting you off at the past knowing you're going to ask what happens with my uploaded images and they say they are used by the algorithm to render your room and for nothing else your data belongs to you. So already
we're starting to see a standard emerge your information is yours, we're not going to use it to train our data. And I think
that'll be the gold standard down for all AI.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, that is something I think is going to have to become more explicit in 2024. Because of you know, you know, we started with the lawsuit and other things, but I think there's going to be a lot of clarity, like almost, I don't
know if it's gonna be like the cookies, because I find that really annoying where it's like, hey, you know, so annoying. I think exactly, but there's going to be some form of that emerge to make it very explicit and clear that the data that you're giving the LLM or AI, whichever version of AI you're using, is not being used for future training data.
SPEAKER_03: We have a company called neighbor bright, they came to
our founder dot university program where we help people learn how to build a company. Here's what neighbor bright does. It is an AI powered inspiration for your yard. So you take a picture of your yard. And here you go. So again,
SPEAKER_03: what is a landscaper do? landscapers has information on
SPEAKER_03: what plants and what styles etc. So you want something that's desert, you want something that's rustic, you want to get it landscape designer you need for this? Yes, landscape designer.
SPEAKER_04:
Yeah. Yeah. And so why not use AI for landscape design and then
SPEAKER_03:
bring it to a gardener and export a list of things you have to buy or connect you with the gardener? Yeah. And this is
SPEAKER_03: great. Yes, it's really cool. Yeah, it's a neat company. You
SPEAKER_03: know, they're doing all kinds of neat things. But you know, people, the last thing people deal with is their front yards, right? Or their backyards. It's like the last thing people deal with. And it's the perfect job for AI because you just highlight what's going on here. As you can see on the screen. It's looking at like a bunch of cement, the curb, little patches of dirt, and it's like, what can we do to make this better? Boom. Yeah. And over time, these things are gonna be like, Oh,
SPEAKER_03: they've done this. Yeah, same thing. Japanese, Mediterranean.
SPEAKER_04:
Awesome. Yeah. Or garden, you know, I want vegetables, I want
SPEAKER_03: herbs. So you kind of tell it what you want, and it gets to work. You can also imagine here that it connects you with a landscaper, or your budget in, or you say, I'm willing to knock
SPEAKER_03: down or build retaining walls, I'm willing to do some construction. So I want to do something myself. I want to do something with a gardener, I want to do something with a landscape architect, I want to do some construction here, build retaining walls or flower beds. So you could probably also have a scale that just says how much do you want to spend the least amount possible the most amount possible on your maintenance, you want high maintenance or low maintenance, I might say I want low maintenance. Like I don't want to have grass, I want low
maintenance, put a lot of rocks in there, and give me a bunch of cactuses, and I'm done. Give me the lowest maintenance lowest cost, right? This is really, you know, really inspiring. And I think these tools should all be free to design the stuff. And then have you pay when you want the upgraded services, like here's my list of things to buy. Here's where to buy them.
SPEAKER_03: Here's, you know, a transaction with a professional. So there's a lot of ways to make money from this. I love the marketplace idea for these. I love the here's your shopping list idea for these. And I think these will be you know, you're going to have room reinvented calm, neighbor bright calm, all of these things. You know, you'll have competition from Home Depot for something similar or Crate and Barrel. So you're going to have like three or four different ways to do this. You
SPEAKER_03: know, retailers will do it. IKEA will do it, obviously, and then people who are best of breed who, you know, will let you comparison shop and that's where it gets super powerful.
SPEAKER_04:
Yeah. I think yeah, like, like I said, good, good initial, you
SPEAKER_04: know, grade, you know, and let's just see it more vertically integrated into a marketplace. It could be really powerful. Yeah. All right. Great first demo. Let's keep moving. When
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People want to take a photo of themselves and they want to put it into like a scenario. Yes. And so this is again, just a
model that it's not available for commercial use. But like we can more sort of like showing the art of the possible how quickly this is going. This is on hugging spaces. You did a
SPEAKER_03: model called IP adapter face ID plus demo. Yeah, exactly. And
SPEAKER_04:
basically what you do is you give it your image, you tell it what you want it to do, you know, the style you want it in. And so in this particular case, I took an older photo of J. Khan and you were one as well. I'll show you both. And I basically said hiking in Tahoe because I know you love that. And basically it gives us, you know, a few great shots of J. Cal. Yeah, a little bit stylized. But like, you know, you can imagine again, go goofy. Yeah. Yeah. But you can imagine going into, you know, what you're talking about clip art and you're saying like, where does that go? The effort to go and get a bunch of shots done like this and a bunch of different apparel and things like that be very difficult. And so it's just becoming simpler and simpler and easier and easier. And here, you know, I took the same model. This one, it actually didn't do as good of a job. Yeah. It doesn't look like it. It does some weird things as well where it like, and this one was just a screen grab from a zoom. And so in this one, we said like front row at a rock concert, right? And it in some ways it's like it has you like playing the guitar and another one. You're like you're on stage and this one you're like in the control booth because yeah, it's kind of weird. But you know, look the point here that you know, I
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SPEAKER_04: wanted to kind of highlight is it's becoming easier and easier. This is going to be the next evolution where it's not just images that are freeform generated, but you're going to be able to do it with yourself. There's obviously a bunch of people that are creating influencers and we showed that a couple episodes ago. This would be you and if you really wanted to be an influencer and didn't want to go travel or you couldn't travel now you can be all over the world, right? So you can put yourself in front of the Taj Mahal or whatever it happens to be. Or let's say I give my likeness to you know, a
SPEAKER_03: ski company, Rossignol or whoever because you know, they
SPEAKER_03: know I ski and I they make me an affiliate landing page. So as a micro influencer, they say hey Jake how look we made you a landing page. It's you and every piece of what is it? Helly Hanson is that the HH? I like that ski gear. We're helly handsome and yeah, all the ski instructors use it and all
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that. Yeah, they seem to make deals with all the ski mount to
SPEAKER_03: put the ski instructors in it. That's where I saw it and I was like wow, it's something really speaks to me and I bought a Helly Hanson outfits not cheap. It was like maybe a thousand dollars for a top and a bottom or 800 combined. It's not cheap, but it lasts for 10 seasons like these things are I think
SPEAKER_03: indestructible. Yeah. And now imagine Helly Hanson said hey, Jake out will buy five ads on your pod. But we also want to
make this landing page for you. So when you go to Helly Hanson comm slash Jason, it's going to have you in all the images. And so people are making these kind of landing pages for podcasts hosts right now. You go to Yeah, if we had like a you
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SPEAKER_03: know, whatever slash startups they might put as seen on it. It's like slash Jason or slash startups for this weekend startups or slash. They'll put my image in a battery image or
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SPEAKER_03: they'll put Tim Ferriss or Joe Rogan or whoever's and say as seen on the Joe Rogan page here's you know, element or ag you know, athletic greens and let's make like a landing page and they found when they put the podcast host on the page in increased conversion. Now imagine you get permission for
SPEAKER_03: me, which I would be totally fine with. Yeah, just show Jake
out wearing every different outfit. It's kind of silly. It's kind of fun. But yeah, they would never like you're saying pay for that. That makes no sense to go have me in Hokkaido and Courchevel and Malta and you know, like to how all around the world skiing, hella skiing, but they're close to being able to just show pictures of me and maybe it increases conversion
SPEAKER_03: and yeah, amazing. I love it. I give this one. It's not very
good. It's like a C plus right now. Because it's not it doesn't
SPEAKER_03: have the fidelity yet the potentials there, but the fidelity is not so I give C plus. Yeah, I think it's like it
SPEAKER_04: and look, this is going to iterate quickly. I think I put this in under 90 days, it will be perfect. The fact that you know, because we just look at how quickly the models went from, you know, like these distorted generations to when we did the influencer right. And so and you can already take that and put it through like magnifique, which is one of the thing that we used a couple weeks ago and make it look a lot better. So yeah, I think in under 90 days, we'll see a better one. But I think the real inspiration is for folks that are e commerce using that in the capacity that you talked about and maybe even creating a marketplace for that where you can make your likeness available and people can take it and go and do that. I think that would be pretty interesting. So it's
SPEAKER_03: called face ID. And, you know, there's a website Huggy face and other ones where you can find this kind of stuff. So if you did, you find these models face ID space, hugging face and
SPEAKER_03: Google, you'll go to the landing page for it. One of the things that we'll do this year, Jason is we'll create
SPEAKER_04: like a notion where we'll drop all the links because a number of people have asked me, hey, because you know, we do these and they got to go try to find them either in the YouTube and we don't always get them in there. So we'll do a better job this year of sharing the links. If you go to this week and
SPEAKER_03:
startups.com slash AI, it'll take you to a YouTube playlist of all of our AI shorts and the full episode. So this week and startups.com slash AI. And let's make a notion page as well. In fact, yes, we should probably have slash AI, go to a notion page. That links to Yes, yeah, the playlist and has each of
SPEAKER_03: these. So let's make a note. Yeah, we do. That'd be easier. Appreciate that. Okay. What was yours for the last one? You gave
SPEAKER_03: it a C for face ID? Oh, face ID? Yeah, you know, I'm kind of
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see, like, I think they could have been a better C plus. Okay,
SPEAKER_03: they got to make it commercial as well. Yeah. So see on that
SPEAKER_04: one. Okay. Okay. Next demo, we're just cruising through these today. So this is called pick site. And so what you do here is generative AI custom order close. Right. And so very,
SPEAKER_04: very similar to and so, you know, just for the sake of the speed and demo, I did our favorite Bulldog Jedi and t-shirt and basically get it on there. And it allows you to do it in a, in a couple more styles where you could have the whole t shirt, you can see that over here, you can do it as the entire t shirt, or hoodie, or you can do it just as like a print, hit it add to cart by now done. And do an integration. I thought this was really good, super disruptive to, I think the t shirt space creativity, people wanting to, you know, show their individuality. Amazing. Yes, you can very quickly make yourself a
SPEAKER_03: t shirt. And there was, I mean, and who knows the quality of this, this is just kind of like throwing up an image on a t
shirt. It's kind of basic. It's not super thoughtful, but it's quick and easy. Which is also good. There was teespring I think was the company that did a lot of this. And then there was one that came out of Y Comedy that became a billion dollar t shirt company and then went out of business. I remember everybody telling me like, this is going to change the world. It was worth billions and became a unicorn. And then I think it went down to zero. It may have been t spring. And it was back
SPEAKER_00:
SPEAKER_03:
in 2013. It was like the buzziest startup. Yeah, I think it was teespring. But I remember getting pitched on and their valuations were always like 10 times reality. She seems to exist, but maybe they sold it or something. Okay, pick site, I
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give it a c minus. It's super basic. It's not super inspiring, but it does show potential. You know, as I showed with Malingo earlier, the one we've invested in Malingo M e l e n g o.com is like for an actual designer, making a range of, you know,
SPEAKER_03: got it. So it's not for the individual like, hey, it would
SPEAKER_04: be somebody a little more, I would say pro or semi pro,
SPEAKER_03: whereas this is consumer. So this is a consumer version of teespring make a quick t shirt for a birthday party or a one off. Malingo is I'm creating a boutique or I'm creating a merch store for this week. It's all in. Oh, that's really cool. I like that. Yeah. So like, and I'm going to order 50 at a time minimum, and I'm gonna, you know, like the short run, I
SPEAKER_04:
SPEAKER_03: think you can basically with this compete with somebody like
you know, Kanye West. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is like the whole end
SPEAKER_04: to end. So this is much more. Okay, pick fabric, pick which
SPEAKER_03:
you want the factories in the US you want the factories in Malaysia, you want factory in India, where do you want the factory? Yeah, all that kind of stuff. You know, which fabric do you want? What quality? You know, what price? yada yada. So if you wanted to go up against Spanx, if you want to go up
SPEAKER_04:
SPEAKER_03: against easy if you wanted to go up against like some known brand, this is how to do it. Malingo for the other one.
pixite it was it called? Yeah, pixite. Yep. Yeah. pixite seems like a really cool one. If you wanted to make t shirts for your bachelor party t shirts or, or socks, like, I don't wanna say gag gifts, but you know, for an off site, you know, you're making 10 for an off site, two different purposes, right? Two
SPEAKER_04:
different purposes. Yeah, two different use cases. So I give
SPEAKER_03: it a C. I'll just give it a straight say, I don't know,
it's a minus is too negative. I gotta say, and I could see it getting better and better. Yeah. Yeah, I look to me, you know, we
SPEAKER_04:
SPEAKER_04:
said this earlier, like, the sites that are making t shirts are going to get here quickly. So the differentiation has to come in the way. Malingo or other people are thinking about it is can't you know, if you already have a t shirt printing business, and you already have that logistics and back end figured out, then to add a, you know, AI generator image generator to it, it's less than 100.
SPEAKER_03: There are t shirt places where you can upload an image, would
it be better to use Dolly stable diffusion, you know, pick your
image generator, and then export it and then upload it to a, you know, a cafe press or whatever, teespring? Or would it be better
SPEAKER_03:
to use pixite? And I think it's probably better to use those
best of breed image generators right now. So you're right, you have to build something more defensible as a startup.
pixite is a proof of concept. Great. Malingo calm as a more fully baked business. Better. So I'll get pixite to say, yeah, I kind of give them I'm going to give them like a B
SPEAKER_04: minus. I think they're, you know, they're, it's hard to kind of build that end to end. It's not easy to create something where you can order something. But I do think, let's look for some differentiation there.
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which is things that are taking on kind of like the Photoshop stack, plus generative AI. And so I'm going to start with this,
you know, so clip up is we've touched on this a few times, and
they have a whole bunch of tools here that can do like, you know, everything from like generation face swapping, like we've shown remove backgrounds cleanup. In particular, I'm just going to
focus on one of their tools today, which is called XD XL turbo. So I can say, I'm just going to use a, you know, Jedi Bulldog. And what you'll see is real time. It's Wow. And then I can say fight ting a Sith Lord. Can Wow. Right. Whoa, that's
fast. Yeah. And so, you know, not accurate, but it's fast. But
SPEAKER_04: yeah, and look, you can kind of you can you can have it kind of keep regenerating, right? You know, on a platform or something, right? And so that one got really messed up there. There's paid arms. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:
Yeah, yeah. And so maybe we could let it kind of redo it.
SPEAKER_04: There we go. So that's still not right. So what's unique about this is that as you're doing the
SPEAKER_03: sentence, it's making the images. Now, in order to do this, you have to open up, correct me if I'm wrong, a pipe
SPEAKER_03: an instance with a very high powered back end computer. Correct. And so while we're doing this, this uses a lot more CPU, then putting in a query, hitting enter and waiting,
SPEAKER_03: correct? And queuing it up? Correct. 100%. And so, well, and
SPEAKER_04:
you need to get the model to be faster, need the hardware to be faster, you need the software that's wrapped around all that to be optimized. But what you know, what we're going to see
SPEAKER_04: here is in 2023, we got used to this notion of type something
and generate slowly or like type something and wait 30, 90 seconds for it to be, you know, an image to come out. Now, if you want to do that, like rapid prototyping, it's here for us, right? And so in a car, right? And so you'll see it just kind of start moving faster and faster. Now you can see it's not perfect yet, because now we've lost the notion of Jedi Bulldog. It's a bulldog in a car, but yeah, you know, for rapid iteration, I think we're starting to see that emerge now and this is like, this model. It's not as good as a sort of like, I think, cutting edge models on producing exactly what the text is, but to be able to do it quickly, and do it, you know, hundreds of iterations in two or three minutes. I think that's going to be powerful.
SPEAKER_03:
So yeah, the way to do this actually, is I just I'm doing it with you live here. And so SDXL, what this does is it lets you in real time, create images based on a sentence, an input,
SPEAKER_04:
SPEAKER_03: so I typed in Bulldog, I got a bulldog. So I'm going to say Bulldog photo. And I added a word and then it changed. And
then I say Bulldog photo in a frame. And now it's in a frame,
SPEAKER_02: then I say on a wall in a castle by a fireplace. And as you can
SPEAKER_03:
see, it's kind of starting to nail this. It's got some hallucinations, obviously, with two nights on either side. And
so, you know, not exactly correct. Now, we're pushing the
SPEAKER_04: limits, but yeah, we see where this goes. Yeah. Yeah. So if you
SPEAKER_03:
did Jedi night, in a city with a droid and fireworks, you know,
SPEAKER_02:
SPEAKER_03:
it's it's kind of, yep, as you describe and make the scene more
rich, it kind of works. So this is, you know, I could see this for somebody who's making a movie and making storyboards or writing a comic book on a brainstorming level, but not for
SPEAKER_03: output. So we're instilled a brainstorming level here. Now, what it's not doing is giving you other forks. And I think rock was doing this, where I was kind of showing you the forking or whatever. Yeah, what I would like to do here is when you start typing Jedi night, if it was auto completing or showing
SPEAKER_03: me this is seven things that I think could come next fighting is one, you know, like, what what are my other Yeah, you
SPEAKER_04:
know, yeah, branches. Yeah, exactly. And I put in Django
SPEAKER_03:
fat. It doesn't get Django. I put Darth Vader. Oh, no, it did. Boom. Yeah. And so now we've got two Django fats fighting each other. So I give this now is I'm gonna be a little bit generous here. I'm giving this a B plus. Okay. It's wrong a lot. But you know, that's gonna get fixed, right? You always say that over time, these things get cleaned up. But the potential here in the speed at which this is working shows the promise. So in one instance, you might want perfection, you're going to put something in the output is the title of a blog post, or it's going to be in a newspaper or a magazine or, you know, in storyboards. But if we're brainstorming, this is better than waiting. So I think we're going to start to see the
technology and the hardware catch up. And this gives us a little, if you just imagine this being perfect, man. And then of
course, this has no respect for copyright. So I give it a B plus and then I take away the plus for the copyright infringement up, give it a B. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like, I'm in B plus. And I think what we're gonna start to see is, we're just there's a, you know, classic, you know,
well known trade in Silicon Valley, which is the faster you
make something, the more people start to use it. Right. And so yes, Google being the example or Facebook. Exactly. And so that's it that like, we are there now. And with this speed, and people being able to iterate this quickly, we're going to see a lot more people start to use these things because the way they were last year, and even Dolly sometimes, right, you're waiting 1530 seconds, to be able to do this at this pace. I think we're going to see a lot of innovation come from it. And so to me, this is just an enabler to a bunch of new things. Yeah, we got to reach my usage cap. But enough,
SPEAKER_03:
you're killing our servers, Jacob. Yeah. Professor x in the field with magneto. Sorry, you gotta pay us something. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:
SPEAKER_04:
And, you know, the output of this, you know, like we saw with
you know, the folks that let people upload stories and all that. And, you know, we have a couple bets that we made, these are going to be the enablers to some of those bets. And so I'm very, very excited by this. I think the team has done a great job. I think making it work the entire stack, like you mentioned the start is impressive. So b plus for me,
SPEAKER_03: you're okay, here we go. B and B plus very good. Well, let's do another one. I love the pace. I love the pace.
SPEAKER_04:
This is and I want to give you know, stability and clip drop, they have a similar set of functions. But like story here, they've kind of created a modern Photoshop. And so for me, my use of Photoshop isn't like layers and all that kind of stuff. I just use it for basic stuff. And so we've all been generating these images. And we noticed that we get this like weirdo text sometimes. And so they've made this tool pretty easy. So I can click, I can take this, I have this image here that I took from one of their default images, clean up, get this brush
here, just cover these things right here, click apply. And
what you'll see is very quickly, sort of that weirdo text will get removed. And, and they just make, you know, all these type of functions super easy to do here. And so here's my image. I guess I didn't get it perfectly there, but like, you get the idea that all the work that's done here, that, you know, if you've got a meme and you want to clean it up and J. Cole, you know, you love the memes and so, but you want to get rid of someone else's text. And so you can take this and nice, you know, clean it up really easily and do that here. Let's get that little bit here. And so what, Oh, I don't have enough credit.
SPEAKER_04: So I've done it too many times, but I think everyone gets the idea. But Soria lets you pick your model, you can use
SPEAKER_03: stability, SD XL, you can use Dolly three, you can use
SPEAKER_04:
Leonardo, you can use different models. Exactly. So they're like
SPEAKER_04: a Photoshop where they're letting you kind of pick the different models that you want to use underneath the hood.
SPEAKER_03:
Yeah, see, I would like to have it use five different models and show me five different pieces of output in real time. Now I know that costs five times as much and we're, you know, everything is about cost right now. Yeah. And this is slow as heck. So I think that they're probably throttling this or they got a lot of usage because they don't want to have to spend a bunch of money. Yeah. And like in the free tiers, I think when you
SPEAKER_04: when you go into the pay tiers, it gets a little bit better. And the thing the thing that I find weird is like everyone wants to get you on like an annual subscription. Like I want to try these things out. But like, I don't want to pay you annually. Like to be honest, I'm demoing these I just want to do $199 a
SPEAKER_03:
year or $20 a day. And you're like, come on. Yeah, yeah, just
SPEAKER_04:
give me like 10 bucks a month. Give me the divide 199 by 12 or
SPEAKER_03: 10. And give me 20 bucks a month. Let's make it easier. And
SPEAKER_04:
let's do that. And so some money grab and I understand. I mean,
SPEAKER_03: listen, I saw this happen with startups, calm calm, other
places, they just really got into yearly pricing. And then what's great about yearly pricing is increases consumption, it lowers cognitive decision making and the tyranny of choice every month having to, if you had to pay for Amazon Prime
SPEAKER_03: monthly, it would kill you. You can be this month, then, you know, in November, you ordered a ton of stuff for Christmas, you'd be like, Oh, this is so worth it. So you want to remove
SPEAKER_03: cognitive load, and monthly subscriptions increase. Yeah, well, here, I got some more credits. And basically, you can
SPEAKER_04: see here, I got to the bottom. This is incredible. I give this
SPEAKER_04: B plus, you know, it's really getting there. Yeah, to be plus
SPEAKER_03: the features are getting there. I like this particular one where
SPEAKER_04:
it's like, you can do like the seasonal logos, you can like take a logo. And you can say, Oh, that's my usual logo. Make a I don't know, let's do Oh, yeah, make up me. This is a real
SPEAKER_03:
thing. Make my you know, logo for Amazon, a Christmas logo and put a Santa hat on it. Make a Thanksgiving one. Put a turkey on it. Yeah. So really, remember, you know, Google used to do
SPEAKER_04:
this, or I think they still do it, but no one goes to google.com but like, you get the idea. So yeah, they've kind of got like,
SPEAKER_04: all the little features. I really like it. I think it's clean. And this is really disruptive. You know, photoshops become quite expensive. I don't know if you like subscribe, their cloud, I think it's 25 bucks a month, 30 bucks a month for credit card. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's
SPEAKER_04: hundreds of dollars a year. It's thousands of dollars. Yeah, you
SPEAKER_03: know, over five years or whatever. You know, here's my
SPEAKER_04:
little story. Just done in different ways. Yeah, I think
SPEAKER_03:
it's great. You know, it's really interesting is you at some point, you'll trust AI to do this. So if you were to go from, I don't know, hotel tonight, Expedia, let's say a travel site, and you were based in New York City. Yeah, it would
make the logo for people from New York City, you know, and
SPEAKER_03: then it would, you know, if you were from France, it would put an Eiffel Tower Tower there, whatever. You can really start
SPEAKER_03: to customize things. People do geolocation already, it kind of guesses you're in Japan, it gives you some accoutrement automatic for Japan, right? And the logo, you can imagine or
like, let's say you're a power user, you've ordered over, you order on average 10 or more items from Amazon, it just gives you a power user interface, a user logo. Well, and so you can start to customize interfaces based upon you know, the design of it, the UX experience could be done automatically, automagically, with AI. So this one, yeah, I give it a B plus, like a hyper customization. I just had, you know, like,
SPEAKER_04: launch. Yeah, it's incredible. Look at that. I mean, it's
SPEAKER_03:
SPEAKER_03:
really fun, actually, to take our investment firms thing and then just Yeah, July 4, have it do this. Yeah, yeah, right. This is something that designers used to do. As a job function, you
SPEAKER_03: might look at Christmas, it wrapped the this weekend startups logo and some presents, you know, this is something that a designer would do for the year, it might be a three month
SPEAKER_03: project at Apple or Google. And you might have a designer or design team work on this for a month or two and say, Hey, let's make an editorial calendar where we make fun logos for the year.
SPEAKER_03: Now, you know, maybe instead of taking two months, it takes two days or two hours. So months, two weeks, two days, two hours.
SPEAKER_03:
That's really where I'm looking at AI, what used to take months, and you can now take weeks, what took weeks can take days, and what took days can take hours. And if you can make a double jump in that. That's where you're really in a great place. I mean, what do you give this story? I like story. You know,
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna give them an A minus. Okay, so we're just right there on the line B plus A minus love it. Yeah, let's do one more. I think you got one more. Okay. Okay. I've got one more. And
SPEAKER_04: this is like a two part, but this is going to lead the second part of this is going to be one of our worst grades, I'm assuming. I'll tell you. Because, you know, I think people
SPEAKER_04: are need to tighten things up a little bit. So technically, tighten it up. Yeah. And so that's also, you know, as we're, we're in 2024, we got to commercialize. So if you've ever done anything in like, motion creation, sure to what you have now is you can you can basically, there's a model here again, by the open motion lab where I can create these motions of people doing anything. So I can say, you know, person doing jumping jacks. And, and what this will do is it will give me
SPEAKER_04:
both a video and a, like an output file that I can take into, you know, like a 3d file that I can take into my tool of choice here. And so why this is important is we're entering another era in AI. And so this is still generating here. Maybe I have to restart the page. But no, it's taking a while because
SPEAKER_03: I just did a person doing a sidekick and it's still generated. Okay. I think we slammed the server with two queries at the same time. Yeah, so it's called motion GPT. And
SPEAKER_03: it's a model that allows you to put in a prompt by open motion lab, ocean motion lab. And this allows you to create a 3d model of a human doing that action. So your text input and your output is a 3d model of a human doing that. I'm assuming you could then export this and put it into unity and make a video game out of it or an action. Or do motion I guess it's kind of like motion
SPEAKER_03: capture using AI instead of using a motion capture suit. Am
I correct? Something like that?
SPEAKER_04:
Yeah, exactly. Like, in the past, either you'd have to get an animator to do this, or you would have to have someone wear a suit and then you'd go create rigs and all that kind of stuff. And so now you can do it all with AI.
SPEAKER_03: And you can also do this text emotion like we're doing, but you can also do motion to text. Yes, which is kind of
SPEAKER_03: interesting. So I guess you can upload something doing emotion and get a description of what they just did. Correct.
Fascinating as well. Yeah. So this is going to be super
SPEAKER_03: fascinating. It's pretty rudimentary, but yeah, c plus.
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm not sure who this is for either.
SPEAKER_04:
Let me tell you where it goes. Because this is like a two part one, right? Because this is sort of like, so you can use this if you're creating video games and NPCs or, you know, you're trying to now where this really goes, and this one wasn't working
SPEAKER_04: earlier. So I was a little bit upset. But this is a model that
was actually released by, I believe, Alibaba. What this is, and we saw these at the end of last year, we didn't get a chance to demo one of these. I couldn't get this to work today. But the idea here is you can take a person and then you can
select an animation. And that animation can be a video or it
can be one of those, like we were just showing before. And if you bring those two things together, you can not only have now a photo of J. Cal skiing in this echo, but you could have them doing a sidekick without ever having to him done the sidekick been there or any of those kind of things. Okay, so
SPEAKER_03: this is super interesting. So you we have motion GPT to define a motion based on a text input. Then you have this other model, which is Drea is a cold, Drea moving, yeah, Drea moving, Dr. EA moving, you pick up an image of a person, and then it puts them into a scenario where they're doing some movement, like typically a dance, you can be doing the floss dance or something. What you could do here back to the stock imaging,
SPEAKER_03: again, I'm doing a campaign for Helly Hansen. Now they're putting pictures of me in different outfits, then you have also me skiing in the second or hella skiing in Alaska, in that outfit, so you get to see me not only wearing the outfit, but you get to see me skiing in the outfit, or you upload your images, or your images are already in your wallet of some kind. And you say, show me in this outfit, and you get to see yourself skiing in the outfit or whatever they send it to your friends and say, Hey, how do I look at this or your spouse and say, Hey, do you think I look good in this? Should I try this outfit on and then you don't need a stylist, or you don't need a photographer to go do this photo shoot or video videographer to go do a video shoot. It's incredible. So these two things are like a C motion GPT is a C and the other ones like a B for me.
Well, it's not working, so I was really upset by the DREAM
SPEAKER_04: movie. So maybe a C and a C then. Two Cs. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to give two Cs. Yeah, I'm at the same spot as you. You know, look, this is
SPEAKER_04:
where now we need like, there's so much innovation happening. It's so cutting edge, but things are not starting to work, or they're too slow. So we need more advancement happening here. And we're, I think we're going to get that in the next couple of months. The limitation is, like what you said, you know, the hardware, the hardware on the back end, and the speed of being able to run these models, and reliability. And I think,
SPEAKER_03:
set another way. Yep. The last two years have been proof of concepts. And now we want proof. Not a proof of concept, we want
the actual proof that we can then go use it in the real world. So proof of concept, to usable concept. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03: Usable proof. And so, you know, great start everybody. But in 2024, the rating system is not going to allow for just proof of concept or potential. Generally speaking, it's the year of
SPEAKER_03: execution. We've been well, now we want to see it. Yeah, we want
SPEAKER_04:
to see it working. We want to see the end to end. You know, we want to see more than just the simple idea. Yeah, if I can't
SPEAKER_03:
use it in the real world, then you found. So the last two years, great. But it has to be usable. I have to say, you know, we're doing the curriculum for founding university. We had some new people on the staff. And I said, you know, go ahead and
start using chat GPT, Claude, whatever po models you want, but start asking questions about startup advice that you hear or questions you hear people asking, and see where it directs you. And it was amazing. You know, the corpus on the web is so good, that it uncovered and people were sharing their threads from chat GPT for and it was like, Oh, you know, here are essays from me, Paul Graham, Fred Wilson, etc, notable content about different concepts. And you really can catch up having a discussion with chat GPT for I feel like it's moving from now I wouldn't write the curriculum in it. But when you're researching and building curriculum, it can really start you on second base
SPEAKER_03: and pointing to you to stuff that you may have forgotten about, like people forget about Steve Blank and Eric Reese now, from lean startup. And yeah, Steve Blank had written some books that really inspired Eric Reese. And this is 1520 years ago, on product market fit. And you know, the science of startup. So it's like Steve blank to Eric Reese to Raul from superhuman Vora and like other folks who kind of picked up on the same advice Paul Graham in between there were maybe at the same time as Eric Reese, everybody was kind of
SPEAKER_03: getting to the same thinking. And it's really starting to work
of putting that information together and getting people to
outcomes, right. And this education thing is I think,
really wild, how quickly people are going to learn stuff. Oh, my daughter, we were sitting there and we were having chocolate, I got like three different people know I like dark chocolate, they sent me a bunch of chocolate, thank you to the people semi chocolate, dandelion, chocolate, send me some chocolate, etc. My
daughter's like, what's the difference between dark chocolate and milk chocolate? And I said, Well, I think it's milk. And so
then it came up and it was like, yes, the the amount of milk solids in chocolate determines how dark it is. Dark chocolate has almost none milk chocolate has a whole bunch. And then it
just explained it perfectly. And then we started watching YouTube videos. So I used to go to YouTube first watch a video with her. Hello. Now I'm starting with chatgpt and then back into
that YouTube. Okay. And your go to still not barred because
SPEAKER_04:
barred will bring those videos up, but you're still not doing that. You know, I just happened to challenge. I have to chatgpt
SPEAKER_03: app. I don't have a barred app. The bar interfaces garbage. I'm
sorry, I don't mean to be too critical. But the barred interface feels kind of janky and garbage. He said this already. We had this told Samurai Sergei, just go steal like get Johnny Iver somebody make a beautiful app. Yeah,
that's elegant and simple. Sundar. Somebody clip this and
send to Sundar like people experience bar through an app.
Yeah. No app. No, no. I don't know how. I mean, how many
SPEAKER_03: employees do you need to have to understand that people want a gorgeous iOS app? I'm sorry that you made Android I'm sorry, it's the second tier. Make a goddamn iOS app. That's beautiful. Period. Full stop. And if you don't have people go steal people, you have unlimited resources. Give people $10 million a year from the five best designers in the world spend $50 million making a gorgeous interface, make five different interfaces for God's sake, and do a bake off for five
SPEAKER_03: different gorgeous interfaces for barred. This is what I would do. Seriously, I'm not joking. If I was in charge. If I was Sundar and Sergei, I would be so on fire about this. I would create five teams. Yeah, I've locked up. I'd say you got $10 million each to build a team. You could have five people at 2 million could have three people at 3 million, I don't care what it is. overpay people give them bonuses. And whoever makes the best one. I'm going to have all five on my phone. And
SPEAKER_03: whichever one I use the most is the winner. And we're going to let the audience download five different versions. We have five bars barred one through five. I know this sounds crazy. I would at least bard one through five bard experiments. There's five different interfaces for bard. And you get to name it bard something. Yeah. And then just let the audience play with and
tell you because chat GPT is interface is elegant and simple.
It's clean and simple. Well, and it's also you know, we're
SPEAKER_04: talking about like, you know, the things we were doing today,
but highly personalized and customized. And I think you could also go down that path, let people start custom like, create something that's customizable with these designers. So that works for you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
SPEAKER_03: there's that. But you, you know, designers understand how to make something elegant and simple. You don't need it doesn't need
to be rocket science. You look at calm, you look at Uber, you look at DoorDash. Now those are some of those like DoorDash and Uber are complicated interfaces. But they're still elegant. Chat
SPEAKER_03: GPT for elegant, you know, you can say what you want about slack and you're 10. It's a little convoluted at times, but it's still elegant. Come up with an identity and elegant one and
run with it. Make it beautiful Instagram. Tick tock. I mean,
SPEAKER_03: some of them have gotten a little long in the tooth, like Instagram with a lot of different features, but still pretty elegant, right? And I think that's one of the nice things about starting from zero is you can make something really
simple chat sheet before is very simple. Yeah, it's like you just
were clean, super clean, hard, not clean. And then everybody
thinks like that the world is on desktop. This is I mean, you did this with extreme labs. You have to be building stuff on an app
mobile, desktop mobile first. And I told my dev team at inside. I don't want websites anymore. I said, I'm forbidding
SPEAKER_03: you from building a website. Yes. I only want an app. Spend
SPEAKER_03:
zero cycles like, Oh, well, we have to build a website. I'm like, why? Yeah. No, you don't. Just build the app. I don't want
to see a website anymore. I only want to see an app. 100% focus on app. Because if you let devs sitting at their desktop and designers sitting at their desktop, what are they going to build? They're in a browser like we are right now. That's 20 or 30% of web traffic today. What percent of traffic is I don't
SPEAKER_04: even know. But I mean, in desktop, consumer use cases is probably less than 5%. Like who is ever pulling up a, you know, your laptop or whatever it is your desktop to open something up.
SPEAKER_03:
I mean, I shop on Amazon on my desktop, when I'm making consider purchases. Okay, I'm making consider purchases. Okay, I might have multiple windows open. But I would say four out of five purchases. I'm in the Amazon app. And it's just fine. The end. Yeah. But people are on their phones more. People are
SPEAKER_03: addicted to their phones and you know, something like Twitter, Instagram. I'm sure even Amazon. Yeah, it's gotta be. I wonder
what percentage Amazon is. Web versus desktop versus mobile.
That'd be really interesting to say.
SPEAKER_04: I think it would be Amazon, I think we will about 55%. You
know, like, how many purchases do you just make? Like, Oh, I forgot about this. I just got to make that right now. You go in and do that. There's like a huge, huge use case there.
SPEAKER_03: Let's see. Amazon from SEM rush. Desktops drive 40% 60% mobile.
That's for Amazon. And I don't even know. Yeah, that's
November 2023. Wow. So that's pretty. And for a website like
SPEAKER_03:
google.com. Let's say, worldwide number one. Country rank number
one, mobile 83.5. There you go. Yeah. 84% Google's 84%. And bard
SPEAKER_03: doesn't have an app. Yeah, come on. Yeah, come on. Now what is
YouTube? What do you think YouTube is? youtube.com is
according to SEM rush, you will have a different number two website in the world. Wow. For two website in the world. Oh, my
SPEAKER_03:
god, this is incredible. You're I mean, this is unbelievable.
SEM rush.com. What do you think? This is so interesting. You and
I have been in this business since before the web browser
existed. Yeah, I'm shocked by this number. YouTube traffic.
Mobile. Take a guess. versus desktop. This is bonkers. It
SPEAKER_03: shows you generation 85% just 88% mobile. Wow, you did it. 12%
SPEAKER_03: desktop. Only 12% of people are watching YouTube on their
SPEAKER_03:
desktop desktop. But we all think people who work in the
industry, we just don't think like, oh, desktops 5050 or something. It's not. It's over people. We lost desktop is not
the interface. I wonder what notion. Notion. The other way
around notion notion. Wow, notions global rank 991 already.
SPEAKER_03:
Wow, that's extraordinary. 108 million visits to their website.
Holy cow. Let's see if you can guess this one. Yeah, this is
really interesting. What is notions desktop versus their message? It's gonna be like 75% desktop. 86% desktop. The
SPEAKER_03: opposite. Yes. So our business website, if I went to salesforce calm, that's gonna be like, that's gonna be the 90s. That's
SPEAKER_03:
SPEAKER_04: completely unusable. 80% percent. That's low. You can't
SPEAKER_03:
SPEAKER_04: use this. Well, I mean, I think it might be people going to the
SPEAKER_03:
Salesforce website to research Salesforce, right? There's some number of that. Yeah. Twitter calm. Let's see if they still put it on Twitter.com or x. Twitter calm global rank. Yeah,
SPEAKER_03:
six. We're all six. I saw that. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. desktop versus
SPEAKER_03:
mobile. What do you think twitter.com? That's not versus
mobile. Mobile on Twitter. I mean, I don't think I think it's
well, I don't know if it takes into account I would say 87%
SPEAKER_04:
mobile. Wow. 83% mobile. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
83% comes from mobile devices. Wow. That is crazy.
of Twitter's traffic 70 68% direct 15% Google 1.6% from
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