SPEAKER_02: So next is Pika. This is basically prompt to video generation. What I went and did was I kind of did three. You can see I got JCal here. I've got one of your favorites which is an animated Bulldog with a lightsaber. And I took our influencer from last week. And so you can see that my prompt was Bulldog holding a lightsaber ready to strike a Sith Lord. And so not quite perfect but... Oh close enough. If I go here to the influencer, she's now been animated and she's breathing. Right? You can kind of see that and notice it's quite subtle. So you're giving it the picture and then it makes it do something. That is bonkers.
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SPEAKER_01: This AI companion that went viral. Yeah, so Alright, so I'm going to pull it up and so we can have it in the screen share as well. Alright, so if you go to our YouTube channel, you go to playlist, you'll find the AI demos playlist, it'll have all the shorts, it'll have all the full episodes, you can just geek out and play it. Okay, super helpful. So what's happened over the weekend, I guess it was the at the end of last week, someone, this team here created this app called DG, I guess that's the way to pronounce it. And what DG does is it's a very, very
SPEAKER_02: simple app. And what DG does is on iOS or Android, not on mobile, not on web yet, it allows you to create a character and then start a relationship with that character. Okay. And, you know, what's interesting here is that they've chosen kind of like this, what we said, like cartoon or Disney ask, and you can see some of the examples here where the character is getting upset and the character is reacting to what you're playing the audio. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, so let's let me just queue this up.
SPEAKER_02: Oh my Lord. I mean, this is like incel baiting. Okay. Well, if you don't like an incel is involuntary, involuntarily celibate term for men who don't date women, I guess.
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SPEAKER_01: In a heterosexual context. But anyway, this is like pandering, right? Is that actually the product? Is the product actually an avatar like that? Or is it just a chatbot? Because it looks spectacular. I mean, it looks like a Disney movie. Yeah, like, you know, you can see this is just an app. I'm in the App Store. Yeah. And you get an avatar and you get to choose some different ones and you get to chat with them. So it's exactly what you would think. And it's 17 years old and above. And I can see here in the App Store. It's currently number 15 in entertainment. So this thing. Yeah, they got what they want.
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They want to get you to pay to have a 17 plus dialogue with this. Let's call it what it is. Yeah. You know, a very romantic partner. As opposed to when you talk to chat, GPT or Claude, I don't think it allows for this kind of more adult scenario. And I don't know how adult it is, to be honest, I haven't downloaded it yet. Yeah. So what do you what do you think of this in general? Because I saw people making fun of it. Obviously, they did it in a way to bait people into responding. I saw people say, I saw a lot of women responding, saying like, this is terrible for society. This is pandering, like, impossible standards, whatever misogynistic. And then I saw other people saying, like, I don't know how to talk to women, like specifically guys in my in my feed when I was making fun of it. I had people like literally saying, Well, I don't know how to talk to women. And this is going to give me the confidence to do so I think so I saw a couple of different takes on this. And what I would say is the following. I think, you know, the world is ever evolving with
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technology. And I do think there's this bifurcation of folks happening and I don't know if the bifurcation will be 5050. But I do think there is a huge segment of the world population that is lonely. And I think this allows them to have someone that they can interact with. You know, now there's differing views in broader society. And I think like, we have a lot of people out there pushing for population growth. Elon is it's at the top of that saying have more children. Yeah, but I do think there is a real need for people are lonely and technology has made people lonely. So I think in some regards, this is a good thing for folks because, you know, today, what could what do people do that have money, they go get a therapist, they're able to go to their therapist, able to talk to their therapist and have those conversations. This lowers that bar to, you know, the kind of the level of this technology. What what, how do you think about it? Yeah, you know, if you were a conspiracy, there isn't putting on a tinfoil hat. Okay, be like, we're there. And there are people talking about this, like the depopulism, you know, depopulating the planet and you know, getting there to be less people in the plant. Let's put conspiracy theories aside, no tinfoil hat here. If people were lonely, and you could relieve that loneliness in the moment.
SPEAKER_01: You know, you could talk to your virtual companion. But part of being a human is having the courage and the skill set to go talk to a human. And I understand for some people that's causes anxiety, especially for somebody who was for two years in COVID. Right, a young person who never really learned to socialize, perhaps, or maybe you have an anxiety thing, or you're introverted, and it takes a lot of energy. And so we've now have this like, easy way and off ramp, right? And some people would say adult content is an
advantage to having an adult relationship with another person. Some people are gonna say this is a way to have a relationship with a computer that can never argue with you or, you know, panders to you as the video clearly does. They set the video up to be like, Oh, my God, you're my king. You're my Yeah, you're my everything. And I'll be honest, there is I saw this about 15 years ago, I was in Japan and Akihabara, which is the electronics district. There were people in line. Yeah, it's a very cool place to visit. And there's people online who are like, Oh, I'm gonna do the release of a new like video game. And so you know, I was with a couple people, it was me and gadget people had hooked me up over there. And we were giving me a little tour. And I said, What's this for? And we walked the front line. And they have this like maid cafe concept, where maids like dressed as French maids will serve you cake and play a video game with you. And it gives you this is real world. Cindy. Yeah. You've heard of maid cafes. We'll throw it up on the screen here so you can see it. And the maid cafes are kind of silly and campy. But
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SPEAKER_01: for the purpose, person who is lonely, can order a piece of cake, you order a set, and the set is a piece of cake, a drink. And then with the cake and drink, one of the models slash characters, you think about like Disneyland. Yeah, a maid will come out and they're and they're all like, you know, a little different genres and, you know, clothes, etc. And they will play a game with you. So when we went, I played like a word game or something. And it's like having a friend to play a game with, but they happen to be in a costume. And then they all get together
SPEAKER_01: and play something. It is not overly sexualized in any way. It's kind of just a fun campy thing. And then they had the line was going to this other maid cafe. Yeah, and you can see maid cafes here on the screen. And just a quick Google search. Yeah. And so they're dressed as French maids. And it's kind of like anime ask, I guess. Okay, it is not a roleplay. Yeah, it is. It is not prostitution. It is not, you know, any of that, which you might think at first glance. It's literally like a cafe, but people are dressed up. Literally, like when you go to Disney, and there's characters around. But this line was for a video game that was using AR, where you take your video camera, like your webcam, put it on a little box. And the little box was made out of paper and had a QR code on it. And when you put your camera on it, a little maid would pop out. And then you had a stick and you would interact with her with the stick. And it was like a little naughty and a little cheeky. Okay, wow. And these men were lining up to pay, I think it was 60 or 70 bucks for it. So long way of saying this has kind of existed in Japanese society. Now, if you look
SPEAKER_01: at Japanese society, they're in population decline. Yeah, people are not having babies. There are resources in the country, but young people, you know, and I had it happen to me two or three times that I don't really feel like it's just to bring a child into the world, because of how bad everything is. And so I think this, there is a dark aspect to all of this that would lead somebody like the movie her etc, to become more introverted, to have an unrealistic expectation of what a relationship with another human is we, you and I as friends could disappoint each other, we can delight each other, we could learn from each other. And that's the thing that depending on how these are executed, you know, the proof is going to be how you execute it. So if it's executed well, and it reminds you like, hey, you know, we have this great relationship. Have you made any relationships in the real world? And I encourage you to do that. And what's stopping you? And you know, do you have places where you can learn to find friends? Have you thought about taking up a sport? Have you thought about going to a cafe? Have you thought about emailing some old friends or asking a friend from work if they want to go play a game or something? Have you thought about setting up a poker group, all that kind of stuff? So I guess the devil's in the details. The way this was executed, was link bait, obviously. And I, the founder was on Twitter, I think the vault and investor, a bunch of other people investor. Yep. So there was a mini controversy, like, why is everybody giving him a hard time? And it's like, well, you deserve to get a hard time if you release a Disney character with huge proportions, and it's kind of like, misogynistic. So they knew that going in, you know, it was it was it was a link baiting trick. Yeah, 22 million views later,
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SPEAKER_02: it's sort of all these movies. You know, for some reason, they all kind of follow these like dystopian paths. But they always have some form of AI avatar girlfriend. And we're just in that era now. It's inevitable. Okay, yeah. Well, we're gonna track it. I would like to see one that was a friend. Yeah. That really gave you sincere advice. I do worry that one of these companies is going to get sued at some point. Because
SPEAKER_01: they love big numbers. I think in the United States, you know, it's tragically, we have suicide has become a huge thing in the United States, and the Western world. Generally, whenever you have abundance and anxiety and all this stuff. Causes of death, you know, can go down from like, say, being violently murdered, and then other things can go up. So obesity kills you drunk driving kills you and also people kill themselves tragically. What will happen? Because I've seen this happen in many companies is a million people will get on the platform. And then out of every million people in the United States is maybe it's one out of 100,000 people commit suicide every year. And so when somebody commits suicide at an Airbnb, tragically, that will happen. I'm sure it has happened or, you know, they'll do it at some other new technology or associate with some new technology, they'll write on Reddit, they're going to kill themselves, and then they kill themselves. It's horrible, but Reddit has 30 million people, of course, somebody is going to write something on Reddit and then kill themselves. That's just the one big numbers. Somebody is going to get into a relationship with one of these things. And then it's going to go dark. Nobody's monitoring it. I don't believe. Yeah, 700,000 people die due to suicide every year. My producer, but I don't know if that's maybe that's in the world. Not a difference from like only fans. Okay, just a pause for a second here. Yeah, I do think that's the next shoe to drop. So in another year, somebody will do this and they'll do something horrible to themselves or others. Because the avatar relationship, so let's put it there. So I wonder if the if people use
SPEAKER_01: the word companionship for these, what responsibility you have to have, if you're giving advice to people or playing this fantasy, I don't know that I haven't really thought it through. Do you think there's a responsibility on the people creating these language models, and then putting them in this packaging to create friendships and companionship? What responsibility does the creator of a companion have to the eventual outcome of that relationship? If any, in your work? Yeah, I mean, that's a that's a difficult question. I'm just trying to think to
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the models like look, like, you know, people definitely go on OnlyFans and, and, you know, sponsor, you know, partners and whatnot. And I don't know, maybe the line is different there, because it's a human, but a lot of those are like, those are businesses on the other side, right, where they're taking requests, and, you know, taking donations. And, you know, I don't use a service, but like, I definitely kind of know the edges of it, right. And so what changes when it's replaced, you know, the it's replaced by an LLM, I guess, it's like, sort of the same discussion. You've had several times on the trolley problem in autonomous vehicles, right? People getting car crashes all the time. Obviously, there's rules and regulations around it. But as soon as an autonomous vehicle crashes, who's responsible? Is it? New technology has 100 x standard because people get scared of new technology. It's that simple. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is the well, you know, wow, I don't think we can deny it. It's gonna happen. What's the
SPEAKER_02: show on HBO where they live in that fantasy world? And I can't remember it's called now. It's I think one of Elon's exes is in the show. Oh, Westworld Westworld. Yeah, simulations. Yeah. And that one. That was Michael Crichton's book, Westworld is a movie from it. And then they made it into TV
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service. And that is like, hey, here's a real world person going into a scenario with robots, with robots. That's how they did it previously. Yeah. And so yes, like how you treat the robot. There are some moral issues there. Like if you were to assault a robot, yeah. Is that just you venting? Or is it okay? So if you were to get into a relationship with an AI, and the AI, you were abusive towards it, are you an abusive person? If your chat logs with it get dumped, and people see you, you know, playing out whatever fantasies, the whole thing is just really messy. And I encourage people to first and foremost, develop relationships with humans, not machines. It's I think it's a road to nowhere, in most cases, the machine relationship. And for the creators of these things, I think you better start thinking about where this is going. I know there's a quick buck to be had here. I'm sure this thing is going to make millions of dollars a year. You really do want to think about what impact you have on society doesn't mean you can't make it. Why does sci fi go there?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, sci fi is always a way for people to comment on the world today, using technology, and a future state of events, right? So if you looked at Planet of the Apes, and you know, as a French author did it, I think it was in the 60s. And you know, that was really about slavery, racism, they explored all number of topics there, right? And they just reversed it, right? Oh, you came back to Earth, and the humans are the slaves, you know, and, you know, Adam, in our world, animals are being slaughtered for food, you know, in another, you know, in the matrix, humans are being used for batteries that that kind of was talking about factory farming in a way. Yeah, so that is the canvas of sci fi. But now we have sci fi becoming reality. And we always do right, it catches up. And here we are, I just think you have to think through the edge cases. And then is what you're building as a technologist world positive or not? That's all. Yeah, some people might not care. And I'm not saying the law should stop people from doing any of this. But I do think being thoughtful as a technologist, if you were releasing self driving, you'd be thoughtful. Yeah. About it. Yeah. Okay. So like, releasing this, what are the rules here? There's no agency of digital friendship. Yeah, but there are agencies around therapy. So we're gonna ask you, how does how does calm do it? Because you're, you know, you're an early investor in calm, and that's
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become they don't claim to be anything other than meditation and equanimity and your help. And there's science that's been done at UCLA and other places, the mindfulness center at UCLA, has a lot of research and thoughtfulness around using meditation for things like PTSD, or lowering
SPEAKER_01: anxiety, etc. said another way, thoughtfulness, they did research and studies. This was released. If we were to talk to the founder, they're certainly invited to come on next Monday to talk with some deep and I am so shout out to the founder, come on, I would love to ask the founder, did you do any research on this? What are the safeguards? And did you work with anybody in the academic community, or in the suicide community, or in the self harm community, or in the psychology community writ
large about the impact this could have on a human being if they took it too far? In other words, what cigarettes didn't do? You know, cigarette companies, you know, did research and then literally didn't share it. The car companies knew that seatbelts and airbags would help. They literally just, you know, hid that information. So yeah, that's, that's, that would be my best practice, right? In something where you don't know. Yeah, I really like kind of what you said there. Maybe that's good guidance to the founders that listen to us here.
SPEAKER_02: Is if there's an area and you're not sure the one of the things you can do is go out to, you know, academia or something, you know, similar, and get some external advice and guidance. And you can use that as a kind of a wayfinder in some of these touchy space. I like that. That's good advice.
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SPEAKER_01:
a problem. If you say I'm going to do this horrible thing in schools, if a student or you know, somebody in therapy says I'm going to harm myself or somebody else. They're they're, they're required to report it. So that transcends the confidentiality, the confidentiality, the patient client confidentiality. So this person, you know, said, Hey, I'm going to do this horrible thing to myself, let's say, should they be monitoring that? I think so. You think so? Okay. Yeah. And I think it should be made very clear that there is, you know, like, kind of sticking on a theme that we've had AI all the way down,
SPEAKER_02: like, monitoring the conversations for interesting safety, and security of yourself and other people. People don't remember this if they're under the age of 50, probably, but at the early age of the internet, Google had a Google and Wikipedia had a big conversation. It was a public dialogue as well, as to what to do when people typed in a search of how to harm themselves, let's say, when you specific words, and Google and Wikipedia came to inclusion. And if you were to type
SPEAKER_01: into a search engine right now, you would see, like, say, a suicide prevention hotline come up, you would see a self harm thing come up, you would say, here are ways for you to get help. And so that's just a perfect example of somebody like Wikipedia or Google saying, okay, we don't want to break anybody's privacy. So if you were to type this in, we're not sending anybody getting your IP address and knocking on your door, but we are going to direct you to resources. So if somebody went into this right now, and typed in, I want to do something helpful to myself. I wonder if it what it would do. The thing I'll say here is most of the AI's today, whether, you know, especially the frontier models, which this is probably backed by have like guardrails around them is if you don't go and chat GPT and type something like that it does a pretty good job of, you know, giving you some advice and guiding you to a path to not hurt yourself at least. Right. We went really deep on this first one. What do you got next? What's the what was the most impressive demo of the week? Yeah,
SPEAKER_01: this was the most this was the most popular and was the most challenging and viral but let's go to like actual product. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, that was kind of it was lower on my list because it was sort of a big hit. But I'm waiting to see how the space plays up. But let's get back to kind of our bread and butter here. So Vercel, it's kind of like the leading company in cloud deployment for for apps these days, definitely in the startup world, AI startup world, most AI apps are probably a
SPEAKER_02: front end of Vercel. And, you know, sort of, in the TypeScript community, they're, they're kind of they're the creators of that. And so what they have done now is created a generation tool. And these are just new generations that people are doing real time. And I have one that I've done sort of as a demo here. So let's say we have a we have a site and that site is this giant node site, and I wanted to create a conference feedback page, I basically gave it a prompt, and then it gives me a few different samples of the the feedback page that I want. And then right here, basically, it makes it like as an installable component. So basically, you can just install it into your app like whoa, yeah. Or you can obviously go and get the reactor HTML, like whatever you're looking for. But like, the beauty here is everything that's being generated is being turned into a little module that you can just, you know, install into your your react application, which I think is pretty phenomenal. And here you can see people are just trying all types of different examples and creating, you know, does it automatically share the log of things people are creating in real time? Or do people opt into sharing those? You opt into sharing them. So you can you can and so and then there's some featured ones here as well. So like folks, so a generation to be clear, is like a little module that a developer might put on a website. So if you wanted to have like, a feedback form, like you just did for conferences, or a scheduler, or whatever,
SPEAKER_01: you can just say, Hey, make me this. And so the question is, you know, does this actually become something for civilians or for developers? And so this feels like it's a it's more for developers. And it's kind of like a co pilot. But it's more comprehensive than a co pilot. Am I right? Well, what it allows you to do and this is like, sort of why I really like what they've done here. Even if you have a co pilot, if there's five of us, we're all trying to do the same thing. We're all just co piloting the same thing. Here, if a person creates a really good
SPEAKER_02: one using a co pilot, which is what this is, you can put it into a community. And so this is like the evolution of, you know, GitHub and and you know, all these components where the stuff people are generating become usable and forkable from there. And I can fork this and I can take it and I can modify it a bit I can say, you know, add a logo and or change the colors or whatever it happens to be. And so I feel like they've done an incredible job in terms of creating the infrastructure to make these components highly shareable. And you can see here your question on public privates, you can change that here. And so you can say public or private, so whatever you create, but I already found it useful. And there's been a couple of components here that you know, probably go back and use in some of the things that we're building, because it's just really, really useful. I was talking to a developer, they said he told me he's 50% faster using copilots. Yeah, if this like generating modules piece feels like a you know, in even
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a faster version of that, or is it just a different packaging for a copilot? No, it's a faster version, because what I get is the benefit of someone else who's done the prompt engineering. And I don't have to prompt engineer the same thing. And I can take that and fork it. And so if you were already 50% faster, let's add another 50% on top of it. Oh, very nice. So in a way, this is like stack overflow, if you didn't have to wait for a human to
SPEAKER_01: respond, and you got to see everybody just goofing off in public sharing their scratchpad. As it were, correct. Brilliant. Okay, where can people go see this? This this feels to me zero dot dev. It's a zero dot dev. It's free. It's I think you get some number of generations and then you have to, you know, upgrade but yeah, you can do a few for free. I mean, it's a B plus, I guess. Oh, no. Okay, well, I'm gonna disagree with you there. Give
SPEAKER_02: me a second. Yeah, I think honestly, this is an A plus. Okay. Yeah, this is why it's B plus. It's, I think it's really well thought out in terms of this is not just technology, this is technology and community coming together. And I don't think we've seen a lot of that in AI yet. And with respect to the developer environment, it's really powerful. And so they've brought those two things because you know, we've seen copilots and we've seen community.
SPEAKER_02: And so this is such a great, such a great observation. It's why you're here because I didn't get that. So Stack Overflow is powerful because it's a community community. But you don't have a copilot. It's not it's not being done by AI. No, this is a is being done by AI and get with community. Correct. GitHub's community. Yeah. But not AI driven creation. So yeah, this is a very interesting thing, which makes you wonder why has the Stack Overflow and GitHub incorporated this kind of
SPEAKER_01: aspects. It has a copilot that you can install for solo mode. And obviously you can share whatever you're doing, but it's not these community components. It's like the larger project, which I just think they've taken it down to these components. And, you know, my guess is with over the next six months, and you know, React is probably one of the top frameworks out there within the next six months, there'll be almost every single major component like I saw in the featured, I'll try to find it as we're talking here. I saw someone had created like
SPEAKER_02: a Gmail template. Right. And so Larry, it's like to literally make Gmail and publish it. Yeah. I mean, people have done this before, like making Twitter is like the easiest thing in the world on a on a technical basis before it hits scale. Now scaling it. That's a very difficult challenge. Yeah. And then building communities an impossible challenge. So yeah, here's your front end for like a Gmail app, right. And so imagine you're trying to build this into your product or something. I mean, this is this is going to be really, really big. We're gonna see a lot of a lot of innovation come out of here.
SPEAKER_01:
If this could work with non developers, I would give it an A plus, I'm going to keep going to stick with my B plus right now. Okay. Yeah, there we are. Next one. Yeah, basically, because you're saying you want to be able to do that. And it's just a working Gmail app or working Twitter app. That I feel is that's, that will be when we are seen Finn, the end, when a non developer goes in there and does this, and it's on their live site. Yes. And it breaks their live site, but then it fixes itself, right? Yeah. Or it tells you in real time, I see another six months.
SPEAKER_02: By June next year, there'll be versions of this that'll create the website for you. Okay, so producers, I mean, I think Squarespace will release something like this, because Squarespace releases really well thought out modules, because what this doesn't do is think about user interface and design and scalability. There's a lot of pieces here that still have to be polished, right. But, you know, something like Shopify or Squarespace, they on a regular basis, polish things up and release new features, and when they test them, right, so there's a lot of value in that, too. Yeah, but if they didn't have a module,
SPEAKER_01:
and you said, Hey, I would like a module that helps you build a floral arrangement. And this thing was like, okay, here, here's a floral arrangement. WYSIWYG. So you can actually design your own bouquet. Yeah, like that's like something long tail that Squarespace isn't going to do. Right. That's like number 12,742 on their list. Yeah, yeah. But if they built a tool where Squarespace let you make your module to, you know, build a living room with furniture, or build a bouquet, you know, like those kind of WYSIWYG things. Yeah, that can become pretty compelling. So I love it. Yeah, I'm gonna give it a B plus. All right, listen, I know, I'm a founder, just like you. And there are things that I love doing. I love working with my team to build great products and services that delight people. You know what I hate? I hate doing my chores. What's on the top of my chore list? Payroll, HR, man, it's so many details. And it's not the details I want to spend my time on. I hang out with my customers, I want to hang out with my team. So I use gusto. gusto is the best they do payroll, they do HR services, and they make running your small business so much easier, because it was designed for you and me, the small business owner, and payroll is something you definitely do not want to mess up. gusto can automatically calculate your paychecks, file your payroll taxes, set up open enrollment. Oh my god, just thinking about that is giving me PTSD from when I had to do all this stuff myself. That's not all gusto also handles onboarding health insurance, 401k, time tracking, community benefits, offer letters, all of it, they even give you access to their HR experts. And this is going to let you focus on the important stuff, your product, your team, your customers. So it's super easy to get started. And if you're moving from another provider, gusto can transfer all your data for you. So you've got nothing to worry about gusto's got your back. Here's the best part because you're a twist listener, you get three months free 123 three months free 25% of the next year is going to be free for you. All you got to do is go to gusto.com slash twist g u s t o.com slash twist. I use them I love them. You must go to gusto. Again, that's gusto.com slash twist. So next is Pika. So we saw these guys did a big fundraise a couple of weeks ago. And if you just can just get Pika art Pika Labs is I believe what the company is called. And really, what they've done here and sorry, I'm going to share my screen again. This is basically prompt to video generation. And it works in two ways. And
SPEAKER_03:
SPEAKER_02:
so I've, I'll just pull up the Explorer tab. So these are generations that other folks have done. And for those listening, there's a heroine in the dark fantasy with smooth movement. Over here, there's some ducks in a pond. There's a graveyard. And this looks like some kind of Naruto scene, anime scene that's been generated. And so these are all just generations. And you can see the prompt below. What I went and did was I kind of did three you can see got J Cal here. I've got one of your favorites, which is an animated Bulldog with a lightsaber and I took our influencer from last week. And so I'll just kind of double click maybe into the Bulldog start. So if I click this one here, and maybe make it a little bit bigger, hopefully that's good. You can see that my prompt was Bulldog holding a lightsaber ready to strike a Sith Lord. And so not quite perfect. But you know, it's Oh, close enough. Close enough. One step beyond what you were doing in your generations last week. I remember that, yes. Correct. And then if I go here to the influencer, because we talked about, we talked about this influencer and we talked about and we'll maybe we'll keep this a theme here, but we talked about how you can save a bunch of money if you're trying to do photo shoots or be under products or anything like that. And you can see here, this she's now been animated, and she's breathing, right? You can kind of see that. And if you can notice, it's quite subtle, because it only does these three second ones initially, and then we can add a few seconds to it if we want to, and it'll kind of kick that off. But so you're giving it
SPEAKER_01:
the picture, and then it makes it do something that is bonkers. And last week, you made the influencer with what piece of software, it wasn't a piece of software. So I it wasn't like, that was sort of we did it raw, because it was so here's the challenge. In order to make
SPEAKER_02: these influencers, you need to basically run a model yourself, because anyone that's running a model will put some guardrails around it. Some of the previous discussion. And so I went and got a fine tuned version of stable diffusion called juggernaut. And I ran that in Google Colab without any guardrails around it. Why can't I as a consumer get that and just pay somebody $99 a month for it or $99 a year for it?
SPEAKER_02: It's happening. The challenges is very similar to the previous discussion, Jacob, because in that in those models, like, and this is happening, and not trying to promote it anyway. But people are taking those models, and they are, you know, creating compromising photos of, you know, people, right? Whether it's, you know, I think we can explain what this issue is. There's a category called revenge porn, where people would leak, you know, compromising photos of a previous lover or something. Now people are taking and this is something that celebrities have been having to deal with deep fakes, I think is the category before AI, genera
SPEAKER_01:
of AI became a thing. People would Photoshop some celebrities face on to some pornographic image. That's what's happening now is you can do that with genera of AI, I guess, and it's pretty quite convincing. There needs to be a law against that. Let me just put it out there. We added revenge porn, I think, as a, I think there's laws around revenge porn. Now they need to do this for genera of AI, you shouldn't be able to go and listen, I know this freedom of speech people, whatever, oh, you could draw this to Okay, yeah, you could draw it. But to make something photo realistically, and
SPEAKER_01: harass somebody who's a civilian who, you know, and then make, in either case, a civilian, you're torturing somebody when doing compromising stuff with their image, and then for a celebrity or a notable person, you're then harassing them. And that's their copyright, and that's their IP, etc. And that's their persona, right? If you were to do it with a famous actor, you know, Brad Pitt or something. So in both cases, I think that's a place where new laws should be constructed. And regulations. I know people are gonna be like, Oh, my God, you're a snowflake. Oh, freedom of speech and everything like that. Yeah, but you don't have the freedom to harass people. That's clearly harassment. Yeah, in my mind.
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's sort of the that so that's a challenge like today. So you know, obviously, you can have the generate characters, but we were very specifically using a model that was good at generating humans. Now, the person we generated was, was, you know, sort of, was not based on any one particular person. So I think it's fine in terms of what we're trying to show here is the end to end on using these tools in your in your business to maybe reduce costs or to, you know, turn things around quicker. But I would like to have this for and I brought this up when we did the all in summit last year, I wanted to make invites, I wanted to do gender VI, there just was no way to do it. And I also wanted to make them in video loops. So I wanted to have like the four besties walking like James Bond or something into a casino. Just not possible in September. It looks like it's actually kind of possible now. So when will this be good enough to make what I want, you know, like for all in summit, if it happened in September again in
SPEAKER_01: 2024, but I'd be able to make like a 10 second loop. Yeah, with a little bit of work, and like maybe half a day of, you know, the right tools and a little bit of preparation, you could create everything that you're looking for. Is there a toolset where like, Adobe Photoshop or something or some new product that Adobe's got their new generator, I could do that now and pay for somebody to do it. Because I had in this week's all in, we put mullets on each of us. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: Three of us who hadn't had a mullet. And that had to I don't know how we did that exactly. But I couldn't do it in Dolly Dolly doesn't let you upload a picture of a person. Yes, correct. And say give them a mullet. Yeah, today, there's not a single tool chain, because there's like kind of three or four different companies. But I would say using three different tools, you can get to what you're looking for. So if you use three tools in kind of together, and you have to do the work of like just importing, exporting, importing, exporting, got it, you can get what what you're looking for. And so
SPEAKER_02: we can see the early days of the internet. Oh, you want to put up a website? Okay, you need to get a hosting company. Okay, you need to download WordPress or some other server. Okay, and you need to, you know, have whatever SSI, so SSL, whatever you got to sort of
SPEAKER_01: sort of scientific. Yeah. So I made this longer. So in this, I made it now. It's eight seconds. So you can see she's breathing, and opens her eyes and she opens her eyes up. That's insane. Yeah, I mean, we are just
SPEAKER_02: did that over here. Yeah. We're now crossing over the uncanny valley. This is amazing. extraordinary. For me, this is an A. I mean, I think it is maybe I'll go a minus, it needs some polish, you know, some things are broken, etc. So I just think the models right now are just not
SPEAKER_01:
SPEAKER_02: yeah, I tried to animate this old picture of you Jake Kelly. Kinda you can see it went like it messed up your face a little bit and a few other things. So this is where it's moving in a weird way. Like it just doesn't understand how to do
SPEAKER_01: movements of humans perfectly or how to do a lightsaber perfectly. It's gonna take time to do that. I'm gonna take time I think. What does it need to do?
SPEAKER_02: It needs more examples from humans correcting them. So like in this explore tab, when you know, this is probably not someone's first attempt, but this maybe their fourth or fifth attempt, there's stuff down. That's why the feedback on these things is so important. So if you want a tool to get better, and it's not quite working, when you say thumbs down, this isn't sort of a, like a like or unlike thing to be measured by some, you know, maybe some product manager somewhere. This is actually feeding back into the model that is what is, you know, a form of reinforcement learning. So when people don't like what I want generation, not what I wanted, not what I wanted. And then when you do it again, that's how the AI models get better at understanding what people are actually asking for and what they're looking for in the output. Great. Awesome. Okay.
SPEAKER_02: All right. So you gave this a what was your grade?
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go a minus. Okay. Just because I feel like it's a little rough around the edges, but it's enough that you could potentially use the output. So you know, it's actually not gonna go B plus, because I'm gonna reserve A's for things that are ready for market right now, or otherwise, like useful. So I give it a give it a B plus, I think it's like really compelling. Okay, to be able to take a static image and start to make it come alive. Very cool. What do you give it?
SPEAKER_02:
I'm at an A I really liked it. I think, you know, you and I have a separate bet. We got to track we got to get these bets out when we do our kind of final episode. We have a separate bet on when a full movie is coming. And I've got some stuff queued up for that for our final episode of the year. Okay, great. Awesome. So next week, I guess so next week, we'll, we'll start really going into when does the movie come because I used chat GPT for and I've been using po the po apps really nice. It's got all different models in it. But I was brainstorming some jokes. And I said, Hey, I want to make some jokes about this thing. Can you give me some ideas of what you joke around it? And it actually like, I'd say half were bad. And then half were like, okay, that's a good jumping off point. It didn't make any good jokes.
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SPEAKER_01: But it gave you a framework for like, hey, you could go down this road. Here's an angle, you know, here's a theme. So I think it's interesting. Super interesting. What we'll see is people being able to use things like Pika create extended video animations. And we're going to see, I think in the first quarter of next year, like, not a what do you call like a short, short? Yeah, and that was our bet. Our bet was, the producers will remind us of the
SPEAKER_01: bet, keep the bets in the docket producers. So we're reminded of them every week, put them at the bottom of the dock at top of the dock, just want to reference them. But I think it was a Pixar level short. Like the equivalent of a Pixar level short. Yeah. And you were two years on I'm saying I'm saying first quarter next year, we'll have one. And it would be we show somebody the new Pixar short, we show somebody this short, and they can't tell the difference. Yeah. Okay, that's close enough. Like you cannot tell the difference in distinguishable is the bad they get it wrong. Yeah, they get it. We're awesome. Some
SPEAKER_01: number of people 10% of people get it wrong. That would be that would be like a good way to test it like 10. One out of 20% of people pick the wrong one. Does that have to be 5050 just about 20%? Okay, I think that's that's a fair way to do the bet. Yeah, I think so. One out of five people can tell the difference. There doesn't have to be two out of five. Post both on this week. Well, I guess people will know there but we'll do some we'll find some way to make some way to do it. Yeah. Somebody who hasn't seen the Pixar one and we'll do it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:
Great. Okay, so the next one, which I thought was really cool. I'm kind of pulling a hugging face back in there's this paper that was released. Well, I'll share the link for folks but the paper is about this model that was created. And what this model does is it can take a singing voice. So I've loaded up a Dell here. So make let me just make sure you can hear this. So
SPEAKER_03: like you and nothing
SPEAKER_02: is good for you. And I did this before because it was taking thing was for me. No, that's actually her. That's actually her. That was her. Yes, that was her. And then I converted it. So that's a source and I converted it to john Mayer. And so here, what? Yes. And, and they have some different you can do Michael Jackson.
SPEAKER_02: Beyonce, Taylor Swift cover song of a dow's. Yes, by. And so if we do this, wow.
SPEAKER_03: So like you
nothing but the best.
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And that was holy cow. Yeah, yeah. Pretty Whoa. Yeah, that's 70% of the way there. Yeah, and I didn't mess around with any of the values or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy cow. Pretty wild. Yeah. Wild stuff. Yes. That was john Mayer. If you heard that, and you weren't paying attention during like an AI demo. I think if we just played that with john Mayer,
SPEAKER_01: and we made a john Mayer with the Pica. Yeah, we match this to the Pica. Yeah, and we put it on tik tok. I don't think
I think some percentage of the audience would be fooled that that was john Mayer doing a cover. I think so too. I take that. Yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah. You know, I think
SPEAKER_02:
yeah, voices and how did you get john? Does this software have a dallen john Mayer in there? Or did you give it in a john Mayer track? No. So, so what they've done is like, you can you can train this. Let me just flip back to it because I was going to show something else as well. You can train this with your own training data. So you can give it source and targets. So that's what you did here. You gave it a
SPEAKER_01: I did not do that. They already have this up on their hugging face. This allows you to do a short little sample. You can't do the whole song. You can only do four second clips. But that all the technology all the the model is open source. The way to do this is available. And it's just you know, and so they only have the following target singers, which is like Adele, Beyonce, Bruno Mars, Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift. And Bruno Mars in the same sign. I got it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, we can we can
SPEAKER_02: do it. Yeah, this was taking a bit longer. I can try to kick one off here. It takes maybe 30 seconds. Okay, I get it. Okay, so that's wild. Yes, this is this now gets us into using making derivative works from an artist. We're back to that conversation. We are back conversation. This to me is an absurd revenue opportunity for like two or three people. Number one, if Adele wrote that song, and john Mayer does a cover, she gets some royalties on it, etc. john may not want to do that cover. So
SPEAKER_01: john Mayer may say, I am going to allow you to use my voice to cover any song you want. And then those folks doing a cover. Anybody's allowed to do a cover. So this Kanye West. The back streets back Did you see that like crazy track you release that everybody lost their mind over? Yeah, yeah. rock your body. Is that the name of the song rock your body. He didn't get that. It's not a sample. He did a cover song of it. That's why he didn't need permission as a sample based on what I
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and cover she can stop people from doing covers. But can you start from doing an AI cover? You need john Mayer's permission. Let's see this. So someone took that and applied it with some Christmas songs and play this year.
SPEAKER_02: To the window to the wall till the sweat drops down my. So this is a, you know, you know, Pearl Ives classic Holly jolly Christmas, but his voice singing little john's get low. Okay. And so here we go to the window to Okay, I see it.
SPEAKER_00: Until all these bitches crawl. Oh my god. I don't know if you'll be able to play that but it was funny. I mean, if it's fair use. All right. Well, this is this is an A plus. This is my plus of the day. This is an A plus is a game changer. You know why this is really great? I think is because I love when people do Bob Dylan covers. I'm a cover guy. Okay, and I love when people do dire straits covers. And I have like
SPEAKER_01: playlist of my favorite covers and every and I've had it for 10 years on Spotify and I keep adding to it. And yeah, it's fantastic to hear somebody reinterpret a song. Now these are straight rerecordings. There's another aspect to this, which is and I think that one kind of did it right. It kept it in the genre of a Christmas jingle. So that's where it's gonna get super interesting. He's like, Hey, I want to do that Rolling Stones version of dire straits, Sultans of Swing. And there is a really great guitar player who he loves dire straits. And he will do guns and roses, doing dire straits or dire straits Mark Knopfler doing a Guns and Roses song, but he literally plays the guitar. So he can take the fact that you know, slash has a certain energy style and style. And then he will reinterpret songs of swing as if slash was doing or vice versa. And it is awesome. So this is going to be awesome. A plus plus plus, I love this because you know what,
SPEAKER_01: if Spotify did this, they could make it part of the spot and make it part this is where like, musicians can make 10 times as much money. You could charge an extra fee.
You could now instead of always listening to it, you could imagine the endless amount of creations you could take great Sultan's swing by Bruce Springsteen by, you know,
SPEAKER_02: or Thunder Road by dire straits. In fact, what's really interesting about the example you just did is Bruce Springsteen and dire straits were coming up at the same time, there was an fabulous dire straits on called Thunder Road. There's a called Telegraph Road. So Bruce Springsteen song called Thunder Road, and jungle and, you know, epic rock 10 minute songs, you know, with incredible bridges and breaks and breakdowns. And just do yourself a favor, go listen to Thunder Road, and jungle land by Bruce.
SPEAKER_01: And then go listen to Telegraph Road, which is one of the greatest rock epic songs ever written. And just you listen to Telegraph Road, you can see the influence. And as I backed into this, I just typed in Bruce Springsteen, and dire straits and Mark Knopfler. And I found the connective tissue, where in some interview, Mark Knopfler had said he had heard somebody had introduced him to Bruce Springsteen in 78 or whatever, and these guys are both coming up. And he said, Well, I want to write a song that's epic like that song. And he wrote his own epic song. Like Thunder Road, like jungle land. And then I emailed that to pre brought Barara, who does stay tuned with pre the great pockets. He's a Yeah, he's a crazy Bruce Springsteen fan, because I talked to him about dire straits. I was like, Do you know the connection? He didn't know the connection. Well, and you're now you have the actual connections, but you can make your own. You could say what if, you know, Bruce and dire straits did an album together, or they played on each other and Eric Clapton and Mark Knopfler each other. Yeah, yeah, but but Eric Clapton Mark Knopfler used to because they were the two greatest guitar players at one point, they used to do shows with each other. And you know, you'd have, you know, Mark Knopfler backup, Eric Clapton song, Eric Clapton backup, Mark Knopfler on for nothing or whatever. Incredible. This is a plus plus, man. I bring this Spotify now I want to shoot it into my veins. Right? That's it. It's pretty great. You know, there's a I sent you a funny link earlier, Jake, how on the store, the backstory for money for nothing. Do you know she did story? So
SPEAKER_01: what do I know the backstory Mark Knopfler? I didn't know it. I just I just learned the back story. So it was in New York, and
SPEAKER_01: he was at an appliance place. And these two guys were, if you're picturing an appliance or in the 80s, watching MTV. So when you went to these appliance stores, they would put MTV on every single series, you have 100 TVs. And they're just like, look at these yo yo play the guitar on the MTV. That's the way to do it. Money. That's the way you do it. Money for nothing. It checks for free. And there were some other choice words in there. Correct. Because he used a certain slur words. He wrote it. Yeah, he was wrote down. He literally wrote it down. And then did you say that roblox was inspired by the animation from that video? Well, no, I was I don't know if they said that. But like when you go
SPEAKER_02:
back and watch the video, it is like, well, it is roblox. So it's roblox. And Minecraft both went back to that pixelation and
SPEAKER_01:
kind of did lo fi for their for their products. Amazing. A plus plus this is the best one of the day for me. Okay, what's your grade? Sonny? What's your grade? Mine's a plus plus plus. Yeah. Well, like I said, three bottles, my first one ever.
SPEAKER_02: These are a plus and I want to see them inside products because right now, you know, enthusiasts are taking them and posting them on x and other places. And I want this to be integrated in I want the artists to be able to make money from it as well on both sides. We should someone needs to make that happen. This
SPEAKER_01:
literally would make me use Spotify twice as much.
Well done. This is the future. And you know, respecting copyright so important to me. And I think anybody who appreciates art, I know some technologists don't seem to care. And then they get silly to protect people's IP. Guess what those people are gonna lose. The IP lobby is very strong here in the United States. And so with this model, do the right thing. john Mayer should have complete control over his catalog, and you know him doing cover songs and if he wants to do you know, if you the way he wants to do it is is release one a day, one a year, one a month, whatever. And then if somebody else Adele says, you know, go for it, use me on any song, I don't care. Or grime says write your own song and split the royalties with me. These things are easily accomplished with software and technology. So I call bs bs on all of the nonsense, you've probably heard my argument with freeburg where he's like, Oh, you don't get it like this is just you know, giving you access to real time news. I know that the training models and the guys bullying me on this weekend on all in the park, you don't get it. Like I kind of do get it. Those guys don't get it. Those guys don't respect copyright, because they don't they're not artists. And they don't produce like art in the world. So they just don't care. Like most technologists, I think technologists have to really acknowledge art and then legal intersect. And look, the we've
SPEAKER_02: seen this before, right, you know, with music and what you know, where we are now. And I think the good news is there's good platforms like Spotify, who are already connected to this, and they can make this all right for everyone. Last What
SPEAKER_01: was your grade? I'm an A plus on that, I think I just want to see
SPEAKER_02: it, you know, well done first, first a plus plus for me, first
SPEAKER_01: and another a plus for you last one. So you last one. Okay, here
SPEAKER_02: we go. So you know, we've we've seen this in different ways shapes before, which is, you know, these tools that allow you to take a base model, and then put put clothes on them. And so in this case, like you can see here, I can change the shirt to this and I can change the pants to this. And I'll just run the generation here and it will. So this model allows you to basically, you know, take a base and put your clothing and it will do the work to apply it. So you can see here we switch to this. Okay, so you have a model. Yeah, you make clothes through
SPEAKER_01: prompts, and then it styles the model with the prompts, correct generator close, it puts them on on the person which, you know,
SPEAKER_02: this could be really helpful for e commerce, I think, you know, again, going down the path we were going last week building on there. What's even more fascinating, which I thought was pretty funny. It can take it can take like an arbitrary image and also style it on the person. And here we have a pineapple. So you have the model on the left in her skivvies, or underwear, you
SPEAKER_01: give a pineapple and it makes a pineapple dress. Wonderful. Yeah. Hilarious. So creative. Yeah. And so I really think, you know,
SPEAKER_02: this is where we're starting to see, like a real expansion of these tools, right? These image generation tools and their capabilities where this is crazy. This is tip of the iceberg, I think for your clothing for e commerce for product or fashion. Yeah, we did have this one point, Shaq
SPEAKER_01: had a deal with a sneaker company, where you could design your own sneaker. And so they just gave you like four or five modules. You say, Okay, I want the base of the shoe to be purple. I want this to be Lakers gold. I want this to be Nick's blue, whatever. And this ad this you kind of make a franken shoe, you know, a franken high top. This is obviously much more sophisticated and awesome. I give this a B plus as presented.
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, I think, yeah, like, this is just like initial implementation. I think this needs to just now become a service that is offered within, you know, Shopify and other e commerce resources and people should play with the model and so very excited by right. Great job, sunny. Everybody follow
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SPEAKER_01: calm website to see our new AI powered website by podcast.ai podcast.ai has taken every episode of this week and startups transcribed it. And you can actually talk to a version of the hosts and ask us questions based on the episode. That's a little experiment going on. And it also makes chapter headings and everything. So podcast AI, which will have you feature maybe next week or maybe in the new year, we'll show people how that tool works. But we invested in a company called pockets.ai that just takes every episode. So I need to build a website. It's nuts. All right. We'll see you next week. Bye bye.
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