Disappearing Acts: Gayl Jones

Episode Summary

The podcast episode titled "Disappearing Acts: Gayl Jones" from the series Womanica, hosted by Jenny Kaplan, delves into the life and legacy of Gayl Jones, a remarkable figure in literature who has mastered the art of capturing the rhythms of spoken word and transmuting them onto the page. Born in Lexington, Kentucky, in 1949, Jones was influenced by her family's love for storytelling and the vibrant narratives shared in her community. Her educational journey, marked by her shy yet observant nature, led her to cross paths with influential figures such as Elizabeth Hardwick and Toni Morrison, the latter of whom played a pivotal role in bringing Jones's work to the public eye. Jones's debut novel, "Corregidora," published in 1975, was a groundbreaking exploration of the trauma endured by enslaved women, showcasing Jones's unique ability to weave African-American vernacular English into a lyrical narrative. Despite facing criticism for her second novel, "Eva's Man," Jones continued to write, exploring complex themes without judgment. Her life took a dramatic turn when she married Robert Higgins, whose controversial actions and beliefs led them into exile, during which Jones continued to publish works of poetry. Upon their return to the United States, Jones published two more novels, including "The Healing," which was a finalist for the 1998 National Book Award. However, following her husband's suicide in 1998, Jones retreated from the public eye, and her works fell out of print, leading to a period where her contributions to literature were largely forgotten. This changed in 2021 with the release of "Palmares," a novel that once again showcased Jones's talent and earned her a Pulitzer Prize finalist nomination. Despite her resurgence in the literary world, Jones chooses to live a solitary life in Kentucky, letting her work speak for itself. This episode of Womanica not only highlights Gayl Jones's significant impact on literature but also reflects on the themes of disappearance and legacy, illustrating how Jones used her withdrawal from public life as a means to focus on her craft, ultimately ensuring that her voice and stories continue to resonate with readers.

Episode Show Notes

Gayl Jones (1949 - present) is a prolific author celebrated for her writing about Black womanhood, slavery, and the African Diaspora. She disappeared from public life by choice until very recently, when she reappeared in words with her 2021 novel, “Palmares.”

Episode Transcript

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SPEAKER_00: Hello.From Wonder Media Network, I'm Jenny Kaplan, and this is Womanica.Historically, women have been told to make themselves smaller, to diminish themselves.Some have used that idea to their advantage, disappearing into new identities.For others, a disappearance was the end of their stories, but the beginning of a new chapter in their legacies.This month, we're telling the stories of these women.We're talking about disappearing acts. The ability to capture the rhythms of spoken word and transmute that onto a page is a rare gift.You have to be very quiet, comfortable slipping into the background, hear the different beats in people's voices.Today's Wamanakin has that gift. She introduced new ways of thinking about Black America, womanhood, and slavery, but she completely disappeared from public life until very recently when she appeared briefly through the written word.Let's talk about Gayle Jones.Gayle Jones was born in Lexington, Kentucky in 1949. Her father, Franklin, was a line cook, and her mother, Lucille, was a homemaker and a vivacious writer.In her free time, Lucille read stories she'd written for the family, subtly encouraging Gail and her little brother to use their imaginations.Gail began reading and writing early in childhood thanks to her mother's love of the written word.Weekends with her grandmother, a local playwright, further nurtured her talents. Gail's grandmother would invite friends over, and in the backyard, everyone would tell winding stories about everyday life.There was a rhythm to the way her elders spoke.This is where the young writer gained a true affection for storytelling, despite her shy nature. Gail began her education in segregated Black schools, but later her mother arranged for Gail and her brother to attend the white, academically rigorous Henry Clay High School.Though shy and one of just a few Black students, Gail excelled academically.She caught the attention of a teacher who introduced her to the writer Elizabeth Hardwick.In a way, this was the beginning of Gail's literary life. Hardwick helped arrange a scholarship for Gail to attend Connecticut College.From there, she went on to receive a doctorate in creative writing at Brown University.Ever quiet, some of Gail's professors attributed her meekness to arrogance.But really, Gail was observant, incessant in listening to the pulses of speech and writing them down. Around 1974, Gale's work found its way into the hands of then up-and-coming editor Toni Morrison.Upon reading one of Gale's manuscripts, Morrison said, no novel about any Black woman could ever be the same after this. That novel, Corregidora, was published in 1975.Gail's debut awed readers.The novel follows a woman in Kentucky who's a descendant of both enslaved people and a Portuguese enslaver.Gail called it a blues novel because it communicated the good and the bad all at once.And it included her signature, a rhythmic cadence. The material in her novel was raw.The language was, too.She turned African-American vernacular English into a song.Corregidora was an investigation of the unique trauma of enslaved women written with a ferocity seldom seen before.The novel solidified Gale's place in the literary world until her second book, Eva's Man, was published. Critics loathed the novel.They said the brutality depicted made it dangerous.But Gale defended her book.Her characters, she explained, were contradictory and ambivalent.When she wrote, she wrote freely, exploring the social and political world she lived in without judgment.Several years after publishing her second novel, Gale met her future husband, Robert Higgins.He was an unpredictable man with far-ranging and violent fringe beliefs. His volatile behavior and trouble with the law estranged Gale from her university and literary community.One day, Higgins brandished a gun at a Pride rally and was arrested.The backlash against him was so powerful he fled overseas. Gale went with him, disappearing into the noise.While in exile, she never made a statement, but she spoke through the written word, publishing three books of poetry. After a few years, the two quietly returned to the United States.Gale remained hidden from public life, but she published two more novels.The first, The Healing, became a 1998 National Book Award finalist.Despite that, Gale remained solitary, refusing to join in the literary fanfare.Her blues novels contained all she wanted to say, the bad and the good, all at once. In 1998, Gayle's husband died by suicide after police were alerted to his stateside return.The spectacle and media surrounding his death led to what was assumed to be Gayle's final exit from society.She stopped publishing her works, and many of her books fell out of print. Outside of PhD courses and niche literary journals, Gayle's industry-shifting work was all but forgotten. Until 2021, when Gayle surprised the world with a new release, Palmares.The novel is about the last settlement of fugitives from slavery in 17th century Brazil.The story is winding, pulsing, and bluesy as ever.Palmares was a triumph and a 2022 Pulitzer Prize finalist. Since this return, Gayle's manuscripts have once again hit the shelves with a steady flow.But Gayle chooses to remain living in Kentucky in solitude.She doesn't take interviews and doesn't speak to those outside of her very small inner circle.In the silence, Gayle works her gift, transmuting the rhythms of spoken words onto the page.With her most recent releases, Gayle reminds us that her work speaks for itself. All month, we're talking about disappearing acts.For more information, find us on Facebook and Instagram at Womanica Podcast.Special thanks to Liz Kaplan, my favorite sister and co-creator.Talk to you on Monday. 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